Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[peteblue]

I would personally disagree mate, I think the issue has surprised the UK politically. Varadekeer is not a stupid man, hes a very populist leader he never backs a looseing horse and he’s confident, very confident. He’s also savily canvassed beyond Europe to big countries politically with big Irish populations around this issue.

I think the UK have worked hard to make the issue a negotiation piece, it just hasn’t happened really, very limited progress has been made boardly on the nuts and bolts of Brexit beyond the Irish issue, what are we now closing in on three years now into the process and the position hasn’t shifted.

All evidence points elsewise.

Well we shall see. I still expect to see a fudge from the EU, but if we go to no deal, then so be it.....,we’ll just have to muddle through as always.....

 

[peteblue]

OK no problem. You are a racist and a bigot. That should add to the debate.

Joking aren’t you lad? You’re talking bobbins as usual. Deal with what I said.
You don’t do that though. Laughable...

And you also enjoy bullying as well.

Oh come on lads, just post something about the border issue. Anything really. I know, why not try offering an opinion on a solution. Or if that is too difficult, try and describe what would make you happy......

 

[Neiler]

Well we shall see. I still expect to see a fudge from the EU, but if we go to no deal, then so be it.....,we’ll just have to muddle through as always.....

Don’t think so myself mate, in fact everyone wants the same things fundementailty, well perhaps not the DUP who maybe are being a bit opportunistic with a minority mandate, it all kind of makes a mockery of democracy really.

If it’s democratic to accept Brexit, how can it be democratic that a party that represents a minority of the popular vote that influence such a critical procees. Influence it in a way that is in direct contrast to the will of the people in that country.

It’s all one big contradiction and really challenges democracy, maybe the UK union as a political entity is outdated and maybe this is its natural unraveling. The process is fascinating.

I think a deal will happen eventually mind, but I think it will be to the UKs and the UK unions detriment depending on your view point of course

 

[peteblue]

Don’t think so myself mate, in fact everyone wants the same things fundementailty, well perhaps not the DUP who maybe are being a bit opportunistic with a minority mandate, it all kind of makes a mockery of democracy really.

If it’s democratic to accept Brexit, how can it be democratic that a party that represents a minority of the popular vote that influence such a critical procees. Influence it in a way that is in direct contrast to the will of the people in that country.

It’s all one big contradiction and really challenges democracy, maybe the UK union as a political entity is outdated and maybe this is its natural unraveling. The process is fascinating.

I think a deal will happen eventually mind, but I think it will be to the UKs and the UK unions detriment depending on your view point of course

Oh I’ve always believed that Ireland will become whole, but just like I supported the original Catholic position in NI (being a catholic of Irish extraction), until it turned to violence, which I abhor, I now find myself thinking about today’s underdog, the unionists. Everyone wants to just get on with their lives but I’m not sure that the DUP will play ball over this issue.....

 

[thirdmantackle]

What Catholic position?

It's a nationalist position
Religion isn't and should never be the issue

 

[peteblue]

What Catholic position?

It's a nationalist position
Religion isn't and should never be the issue

Indeed, but it once was......

 

[Harryflashman]

Oh come on lads, just post something about the border issue. Anything really. I know, why not try offering an opinion on a solution. Or if that is too difficult, try and describe what would make you happy......

Maybe be it’ll help calm things down but may I suggest they won’t be able to offer a suggestion for the same reason neither politicians or you and joe have been able to , other than vague soundbites , because there isn’t really a workable one within the agreements.

It’s a nightmare and I take absolutely no pleasure in saying that , whether I was a remainer or not. Let’s be fair you seem an intelligent man you know at present there is no workable solution fulfilling the necessary criteria and acceptable to the politicians . I’m reality I don’t think there is one that does the former never mind the latter .

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

Oh come on lads, just post something about the border issue. Anything really. I know, why not try offering an opinion on a solution. Or if that is too difficult, try and describe what would make you happy......

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Absolute joke you are lad. Very redolent of the clowns promoting Brexit. No answers, nothing. Be off to your AA meeting.

 

[peteblue]

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Absolute joke you are lad. Very redolent of the clowns promoting Brexit. No answers, nothing. Be off to your AA meeting.

You are letting yourself down here. I’m sure you must be better than this.........but perhaps I am wrong.....just try a little bit harder......

 

[peteblue]

Maybe be it’ll help calm things down but may I suggest they won’t be able to offer a suggestion for the same reason neither politicians or you and joe have been able to , other than vague soundbites , because there isn’t really a workable one within the agreements.

It’s a nightmare and I take absolutely no pleasure in saying that , whether I was a remainer or not. Let’s be fair you seem an intelligent man you know at present there is no workable solution fulfilling the necessary criteria and acceptable to the politicians . I’m reality I don’t think there is one that does the former never mind the latter .

I believe it’s a matter of wanting a solution as opposed to wanting a disagreement. I agree it may not suit the politicians, especially those in Brussels, but events may force a solution. David Trimble seems to believe that a solution is doable, but of course that may have just been the slant put on his words by reporters.....

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Maybe be it’ll help calm things down but may I suggest they won’t be able to offer a suggestion for the same reason neither politicians or you and joe have been able to , other than vague soundbites , because there isn’t really a workable one within the agreements.

It’s a nightmare and I take absolutely no pleasure in saying that , whether I was a remainer or not. Let’s be fair you seem an intelligent man you know at present there is no workable solution fulfilling the necessary criteria and acceptable to the politicians . I’m reality I don’t think there is one that does the former never mind the latter .

Plenty of opinions and ideas for a solution have been offered in this thread. They won't be offered again however in response to goading from a poster who behaves like a 12 year old and who repeatedly makes the same request when his appalling behaviour is pointed out to him.

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

You are letting yourself down here. I’m sure you must be better than this.........but perhaps I am wrong.....just try a little bit harder......

Back on topic. How’s your high tech border solution coming along? The one that hasn’t been invented yet, you know? By the way, my solution to the border ‘issue’ is that I don’t see it as an issue, whereas I understand that you lot want to ‘take control’ of immigration. You can’t erect a border because of the GFA, so what’s the immigration plan? I believe I have posted these queries previously, to no avail. Go on, have a go at answers. Just this once...

 

[peteblue]

Back on topic. How’s your high tech border solution coming along? The one that hasn’t been invented yet, you know? By the way, my solution to the border ‘issue’ is that I don’t see it as an issue, whereas I understand that you lot want to ‘take control’ of immigration. You can’t erect a border because of the GFA, so what’s the immigration plan? I believe I have posted these queries previously, to no avail. Go on, have a go at answers. Just this once...

You may remember that, against my better judgement, I posted my thoughts and you just dismissed them, as you have just done again. So I asked you for your views on a solution, answer came there none, just words like ‘laughable’ and other assorted incorrect innuendo. You now say there is no issue, which I’m pretty sure I said as well. I don’t wish to take control of immigration on the island of Ireland, and I said so, and you dismissed that as well. So really there is nothing to add. But at least you are now being reasonably civil, though how long it lasts I wouldn’t know.......

 

[Neiler]

Oh I’ve always believed that Ireland will become whole, but just like I supported the original Catholic position in NI (being a catholic of Irish extraction), until it turned to violence, which I abhor, I now find myself thinking about today’s underdog, the unionists. Everyone wants to just get on with their lives but I’m not sure that the DUP will play ball over this issue.....

The DUP are irrelvent to both the Irish government and the EU they are only relevant to the UK goverment as they are making up a coalition, my point really is how undemocratic that is given the will of the people of Northern Ireland on just the EU issue. Really they are May’s problem politically, there is only so long she can keep the plates spinning though and ultimately the DUP and supporting their position is the low hanging fruit when it comes to the key issues for the majority of UK citizens. If I was from the UK I’d be annoyed with politicians pandering to the DUP, it’s cirtically effecting every other aspect of Brexit and ultimately the entire citizenship of the UKs welfare.

I don’t think the EU issue is as polarized as historical demarcation I think it’s perfectly possible and highly likely to be a unionist and want to be in the EU as well. I’m sure there are many given the vote on the issue in NI.

 

[peteblue]

The DUP are irrelvent to both the Irish government and the EU they are only relevant to the UK goverment as they are making up a coalition, my point really is how undemocratic that is given the will of the people of Northern Ireland on just the EU issue. Really they are May’s problem politically, there is only so long she can keep the plates spinning though and ultimately the DUP and supporting their position is the low hanging fruit when it comes to the key issues for the majority of UK citizens. If I was from the UK I’d be annoyed with politicians pandering to the DUP, it’s cirtically effecting every other aspect of Brexit and ultimately the entire citizenship of the UKs welfare.

I don’t think the EU issue is polarized as historical demarcation I think it’s perfectly possible and highly likely to be a unionist and want to be in the EU as well. I’m sure there are many given the vote on the issue in NI.

I agree, and the NI vote did just that. But as SF threw their toys out of the devolved pram and refuse to take a seat at Westminster there is really only the DUP voice being heard, right or wrong.....