Interesting read, Moshiri, finances etc

[davek]

Im just wasting my time by telling you to wait and see, so lets just wait and see, in 18months we can dance again.

I'll continue to keep an open mind.

 

[Goat]

I'll continue to keep an open mind.

This actually made me LOL.

 

[Lowste]

I think even that's far too optimistic at the moment. If change is occurring it's glacial so far. And thats my point really, the belief he will change things quickly and decisively is well overplayed. It'll be a lot less dramatic than most think it'll be. In five years time I'd be surprised if we were substantially down the road on a stadium or had upped our pace in terms of getting out in front of the chasing pack looking to join the so called top 6.

I am not usually optimistic, as I have seen to many false dawns. I do think for what we have endured over the last decade or so we should hold some optimism, but I am still uncertain if he is the messiah that some people believe he is.
I simply believe we are better off than the last x amount of seasons in financial terms and players coming in (hoping here), so I sit with some optimism but not the turbocharged optimism some people are preaching.

I am just happy that we may have some sort of future

 

[davek]

I am not usually optimistic, as I have seen to many false dawns. I do think for what we have endured over the last decade or so we should hold some optimism, but I am still uncertain if he is the messiah that some people believe he is.
I simply believe we are better off than the last x amount of seasons in financial terms and players coming in (hoping here), so I sit with some optimism but not the turbocharged optimism some people are preaching.

I am just happy that we may have some sort of future

It seems like a step up away from what went before. The fact that it remains at the stage of 'seemingly' though underlines how conservative this new regime has been.

We're coming up to a year now since Moshiri started negotiating in earnest and securing the club under his ownership. If you'd missed the last 12 months and someone told you today that there was a new owner in control and had been for almost a year you would scratch your head and wonder what the difference was. Fans see squad improvement and progress on infrastructure as signs that something has fundamentally shifted up a gear. That hasn't happened. All talk about settling debts with another loan and projected new sponsorship deals mean sweet f.a.

Get players bought; get a stadium scheme off the ground. That's the metric we have to use on impact.

 

[TheCount]

We wont compete on a regular basis with £40M more a year. It's not enough to get a seat at the table.

Where is your £40m pound figure from?

We probably need to add £50m a year to the wage bill (in a sustainable manner) and continue to produce first team quality academy players.

http://www.totalsportek.com/money/english-premier-league-wage-bills-club-by-club/

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Yes, to move us onto a level where we can build a stadium and address squad quality. That was the first step. That's what I see Moshiri's task as. He has got to be seen as the necessary stage before we get the game changer in.

Thats the definition of exactly what we all wanted from a new owner, which is the required 'game changer' for Everton i.e. The stadium and player investment

 

[davek]

Thats the definition of exactly what we all wanted from a new owner, which is the required 'game changer' for Everton i.e. The stadium and player investment

...and we dont have it....and when we do it wont be enough to trouble the financial elite.

As said yesterday, the plan looks outdated and quaint in many respects. Its the plan from when Kenwright took over - plan he had no means to make reality.

The fact is you cant evolve to the top in this league. Unless you have some figure with limitless funds to whack down billions in investment in a very short period of time you can forget it.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

...and we dont have it....and when we do it wont be enough to trouble the financial elite.

As said yesterday, the plan looks outdated and quaint in many respects. Its the plan from when Kenwright took over - plan he had no means to make reality.

The fact is you cant evolve to the top in this league. Unless you have some figure with limitless funds to whack down billions in investment in a very short period of time you can forget it.

You're talking absolute balls Dave, I'm bored of the game that you appear to revel in, therefore I'm out

 

[Lowste]

It seems like a step up away from what went before. The fact that it remains at the stage of 'seemingly' though underlines how conservative this new regime has been.

We're coming up to a year now since Moshiri started negotiating in earnest and securing the club under his ownership. If you'd missed the last 12 months and someone told you today that there was a new owner in control and had been for almost a year you would scratch your head and wonder what the difference was. Fans see squad improvement and progress on infrastructure as signs that something has fundamentally shifted up a gear. That hasn't happened. All talk about settling debts with another loan and projected new sponsorship deals mean sweet f.a.

Get players bought; get a stadium scheme off the ground. That's the metric we have to use on impact.

I guess I sit in the cautiously optimistic camp
I am old enough not to let Everton build my hopes up ever again
I feel we have fell behind a host of clubs and that gap is not going to dissaper anytime soon, not with the level of investment we are seeing, but prepared to sit and wait a little longer before passing comment

 

[davek]

I guess I sit in the cautiously optimistic camp
I am old enough not to let Everton build my hopes up ever again
I feel we have fell behind a host of clubs and that gap is not going to dissaper anytime soon, not with the level of investment we are seeing, but prepared to sit and wait a little longer before passing comment

My view is that we need Moshiri, but not because it shunts us into the big time. If his plans come to fruition it'll allow us to become an attractive investment in years to come.

As said above, we really should have been through this stage about a decade or so ago.

 

[Jeff Jones]

Then forever settle for lack of success.

We had the equivalent to a muti billionaire in the 1960s with Moores. That's what got us back into competition and eventual domination over the powers of the day like Man Utd, Spurs, Liverpool. Do we now say we don't learn that historical lesson and adopt some ridiculous purity?

I take your point, but Liverpool wasn't a power when John Moores started backing Everton financially.

They were battling hard to get into the 1st Division.

 

[davek]

I take your point, but Liverpool wasn't a power when John Moores started backing Everton financially.

They were battling hard to get into the 1st Division.

That's true. But they were soon a force in the early part of his time here, picking up two titles in between our two that bookended the 60s.

 

[Lowste]

My view is that we need Moshiri, but not because it shunts us into the big time. If his plans come to fruition it'll allow us to become an attractive investment in years to come.

As said above, we really should have been through this stage about a decade or so ago.

Totally agree...

 

[malcson]

Even if Moshiri wanted to spend like City & Chelsea did he can't because of FFP and Premiership Accounting rules. We need to increase our revenue to raise the ceiling to which Moshiri can invest e.g. We can't sign players if the revenue at the club is not high enough for us to pay their wages. Also why Koeman is desperately trying to ship out players he doesn't see as part of the 'project'. There really isn't another way to achieve what we want without a new stadium and increased commercial and sponsorship revenue coming first. In other words Moshiri isn't 'choosing' this route instead of investing purely in the squad, it is the only route open to him.

 

[zebedee]

My view is that we need Moshiri, but not because it shunts us into the big time. If his plans come to fruition it'll allow us to become an attractive investment in years to come.

As said above, we really should have been through this stage about a decade or so ago.

Agreed. I'm hoping what he brings to the table is that business head and shoulders. You don't become an Arsenal shareholder because you've few quid. Once he get's full reins I expect we'll kick into gear not overnight like everyone wishes we aren't that lucky. I'm hoping in 5yrs we look back this post and laugh