Initial 10, then reduced to 6 + 2 Point Deductions

[WestStandLower]

I have grasped that you were paying backhanded bungs and hiding it through third parties and you want to claim there was no benefit to doing so.

I am no sports lawyer but there is a court of arbitration for sport that I am aware of so probably there I would guess.

Certainly aren’t a sports lawyer because CAS doesn’t have jurisdiction

 

[Efcjake]

Certainly aren’t a sports lawyer because CAS doesn’t have jurisdiction

So have you just waded in here to say we didn't do anything wrong, we didn't get any benefit, everyone else does it, and there's no court for you to challenge this on?

 

[Efcjake]

Certainly aren’t a sports lawyer because CAS doesn’t have jurisdiction

Are you a sports lawyer?

 

[WestStandLower]

Then what is the point of a Regulator?

It is blindingly obvious to even the most half-witted observer that the sanctions are being applied on an ad-hoc basis, clearly designed to protect the clubs that draw the biggest money into the pot.

If a regulator is not designed to address such inbalance, what the hell is it there for?

No amount of weasel words will obfuscate the long term cheating in this case and the blatant and obvious creative accounting that has allowed this Johnnie-cum-lately club to avoid (but not evade) rules and regulations, allegedly to give an even playing field.

Chuck them out of the league, along with the current management team of the PL.

Don’t bother responding @WestStandLower as your attempts to minimise your clubs corrupt behaviour invalidates your opinion.

I am going to reply

1) The regulator has no remit in league discipline matters.
2) We weren’t found guilty / charged with FFP /PSR charges. A subtle but key point.
3) If I have come over as minimising the crime as it were that was never my point and if you go back to my first post I acknowledge we got off lightly.

 

[BullensRoad]

I am assuming that senior Chelsea officials were involved in the negotiations for Eden Hazard. The agent asks for a bung to facilitate the transfer and the Chelsea transfer team refuse(as they are all law abiding and God fearing people).
They report back to RA and say they have missed out on one of the most coveted players in Europe…imagine their surprise when he turns up at Cobham to report for pre-season training! How could this possibly happen?

Repeat for numerous other transfers but no-one at CFC knew these players were being signed with the help of off the books payments via some of RAs companies…as if!

It was in the news at the time that Abramovic called Hazard personally and asked how much he wants to be paid to move to Chelsea.

 

[WestStandLower]

So have you just waded in here to say we didn't do anything wrong, we didn't get any benefit, everyone else does it, and there's no court for you to challenge this on?

Sorry but you really aren’t reading what I have posted.

As for a court as you put it the simple fact is that all disputes save on a point of law have to be dealt in accord with PL process and that even despite Man City trying to go to a court of law has Ben ruled includes Arbitration.

 

[John from Bootle]

Have you not grasped they couldn’t make some of the payments through what you call proper means! You can only pay accredited agents and or intermediaries and a huge chunk of the monies paid went to that type of individual.pal

If you don’t think that off book payments are common place then that’s up to you . Ironically one of the most common practices is by inflating image rights . HMRC have agreed settlement after settlement in that regard.

Tell me what court you think Everton can take the PL ? It would have to be to a PL arbitration hearing and what would be Everton’s claim ? That two IC ( because one had to sign off Chelsea settlement) agreed two different sanctions?

Can you give me a hypothetical reason why somebody other than the player, the players representative(s) or the club holding his regristration would require payment(s)? Is the implication that there was some sort of third party ownership breaches?

 

[WestStandLower]

Are you a sports lawyer?

No but I have been involved in some minor football disciplinary cases.

 

[WestStandLower]

Can you give me a hypothetical reason why somebody other than the player, the players representative(s) or the club holding his regristration would require payment(s)? Is the implication that there was some sort of third party ownership breaches?

In some jurisdictions in the past you were allowed to use un authorised individuals the FA tightened up those rules way before many other countries FA did . Interesting enough a number of the FA charges revolve around third party issues.

 

[Iana]

No but I have been involved in some minor football disciplinary cases.

Being found guilty of fielding a ringer in the Surrey Veterans league Is hardly comparable to what we are talking about today..:

 

[Douglas Maclure]

I have grasped that you were paying backhanded bungs and hiding it through third parties and you want to claim there was no benefit to doing so.

I am no sports lawyer but there is a court of arbitration for sport that I am aware of so probably there I would guess.

 

[WestStandLower]

Being found guilty of fielding a ringer in the Surrey Veterans league Is hardly comparable to what we are talking about today..:

The last one I was involved in revolved around two semi professional players having their contracts cancelled unilaterally by the club. Hardly Surey Veterens ( if there is such a thing ) and you are right not even close to comparable to this matter

 

[John from Bootle]

In some jurisdictions in the past you were allowed to use un authorised individuals the FA tightened up those rules way before many other countries FA did . Interesting enough a number of the FA charges revolve around third party issues.

Could it be possible that some of this money somehow found it's way in to players pockets tax free? And if so would that imply the club couldn't legally afford to pay them the figure they wanted to 'take home'?

 

[WestStandLower]

Could it be possible that some of this money somehow found it's way in to players pockets tax free? And if so would that imply the club couldn't legally afford to pay them the figure they wanted to 'take home'?

I was having a debate about just this possibility the other day but not in relation to a player but Mancini over at City. Nothing surprises me about anything when it comes to money in football.


What came out was in quite a lot of countries it’s common for players to agree a contract based on after tax and although only an allegation at this point it is claimed by some that Mancins third party contract was to basically deal with tax due on his managerial contract at City.

 

[Iana]

I was having a debate about just this possibility the other day but not in relation to a player but Mancini over at City. Nothing surprises me about anything when it comes to money in football.


What came out was in quite a lot of countries it’s common for players to agree a contract based on after tax and although only an allegation at this point it is claimed by some that Mancins third party contract was to basically deal with tax due on his managerial contract at City.

Have you got any mates or have you been in prison?

Until today, you had posted 4 times in the last 12 months and then you suddenly appear like a keyboard warrior on speed.

Stick to Chelsea comments or fetch off to your own club’s forums and avoid “whataboutery” regarding City…nice try at deflection but you ain’t fooling anyone.