Initial 10, then reduced to 6 + 2 Point Deductions

Guess you don’t understand the difference that it would have made if the payments had been made by the club as opposed to third party entities
Your club have been cheating the financial rules for years or finding 'creative' ways to bend the rules (selling hotels and your women's team to yourselves) not to mention the disgusting hoarding of young players too using 'feeder' clubs to sweeten their passages through the whole rotten system. At least you admit you got away lightly with these other charges so you have more humility than most entitled 'champions' league club supporting fans.
 
According to the sanctions agreement none of those that could offer “ context” to the payments did so you would assume that was because they refused and weren’t under the PLs or FAs jurisdiction.

I very much doubt that it was just RA acted alone but that’s the point the payments all came from third party entities so almost certainly they were facilitated by officials of RAs companies and not view club officials / officers .None of the payments went directly to players
I am assuming that senior Chelsea officials were involved in the negotiations for Eden Hazard. The agent asks for a bung to facilitate the transfer and the Chelsea transfer team refuse(as they are all law abiding and God fearing people).
They report back to RA and say they have missed out on one of the most coveted players in Europe…imagine their surprise when he turns up at Cobham to report for pre-season training! How could this possibly happen?

Repeat for numerous other transfers but no-one at CFC knew these players were being signed with the help of off the books payments via some of RAs companies…as if!
 
So why was the club paying it through third party entities if it incurred no benefit for doing so then soft lad

An awful lot of hassle for no benefit isn't it.
Right, no benefit, except they hid it carefully so they knew, and it was SO bad that it cost them 150 million in the sale once the new buyers found out about it while looking over the books.
 
AbsoluteLy spot on: the PL were looking for a sacrificial lamb to persuade government it could clean house on its own. We were it.

The Government allowed Chelsea to get shut of Abramovic and clean their slate. We got a death sentence that only the players, fans and - yes - the much maligned manager reused to accept. And Maguire was part of that process practically urging the PL on to make an example of us.

The feller's a grifter. Full stop.

I remember getting some pushback on here by the usual suspects when I said he was part of the entertainment business and not a serious commentator.

He's just there to flog podcasts and books and t-shirts to the gullible. THAT IS ALL.

Quite how he avoided censure from his apparent employers Liverpool University for trying to nobble a 140 odd year city institution I dont know.

I DO know this though: if he'd tried that on with those who support Murder Inc he'd have to have left that job. 100% he would have.
Just made me realize we are coming up on 150. I am not quite Old enough being 1 year ild at the time to remember 100, but a quick search tells me that there wasn't much made of it. We must do better.
 
Also, listening to Talksport today and they are framing it as Everton seeking payment from a pot of money that has been put aside for victims of the Ukrainian war. Saying that as the £150m has been kept back from the sale for anything arising from the dealing under the previous ownership, it doesnt sit right with them that we are chasing a chunk of a charitable payment, preventing it reaching its intended recipients.

Disgraceful journalism. We havent even asked for any payments or recompense. Simply, an explanation of how they reached their conclusion and why rules have suddenly changed.
 
So why was the club paying it through third party entities if it incurred no benefit for doing so then soft lad

An awful lot of hassle for no benefit isn't it.

Greasing palms as it were is sadly everywhere. Many of the payments were made to individuals who had influence if you like but because they aren’t accredited intermediaries they couldn’t technically be paid to facilitate / aidin transfers hence why “ creative “ ways were adopted . Of course that activity is not right and it gives advantage.

Likewise some most of those payments came because the services contracted between RAs companies and the likes of Frank Arnesen were judged to be to the benefit of the club as opposed to RA directly. For instance payments were made to a solicitor to take a view on FFP paid for by RA but again deemed to be to the benefit of the club.

If you read my posts I found it odd that the PL in the sanctions agreement went out of their way to not even acknowledge the likelihood of sporting advantage.

I don’t want to get into what about City because they will answer for their own “ creative” ways . But from image rights to second contracts theirs seems more clear cut but who knows.

Ultimately people do things as we have to either avoid tax, which doesn’t seem to be the case here, or avoid a set of rules to gain advantage be that from a business sense or as most understandably believe from a sporting sense.

Does it make sense to do it in the way it’s been reported if having all been paid by Chelsea the FFP /PSR numbers would still have been ok ?

Had they indeed gone through Chelsea books then they would have been spotted by UEFA/PL&FA and charges made . As we know none of those bodies had a clue and dare I say they won’t have a clue about other clubs third party payments which I would put money on is commonplace.
 
Also seems silly fkr @WestStandLower to suggest that it has gone in their favour due to not using club money. Basically, they've gotten away with it cause they tried so hard to hide it.
Had it all gone through CFCs accounts there wouldn’t have been a settlement agreement. Going through the clubs accounts would prove positive that it was for the benefit of the club and without doubt the PL would be able in front of an IC reach the standard required.
It’s not me suggesting it went in our favour because third parties were involved it’s what the agreement tells us.
 
Greasing palms as it were is sadly everywhere. Many of the payments were made to individuals who had influence if you like but because they aren’t accredited intermediaries they couldn’t technically be paid to facilitate / aidin transfers hence why “ creative “ ways were adopted . Of course that activity is not right and it gives advantage.

Likewise some most of those payments came because the services contracted between RAs companies and the likes of Frank Arnesen were judged to be to the benefit of the club as opposed to RA directly. For instance payments were made to a solicitor to take a view on FFP paid for by RA but again deemed to be to the benefit of the club.

If you read my posts I found it odd that the PL in the sanctions agreement went out of their way to not even acknowledge the likelihood of sporting advantage.

I don’t want to get into what about City because they will answer for their own “ creative” ways . But from image rights to second contracts theirs seems more clear cut but who knows.

Ultimately people do things as we have to either avoid tax, which doesn’t seem to be the case here, or avoid a set of rules to gain advantage be that from a business sense or as most understandably believe from a sporting sense.

Does it make sense to do it in the way it’s been reported if having all been paid by Chelsea the FFP /PSR numbers would still have been ok ?

Had they indeed gone through Chelsea books then they would have been spotted by UEFA/PL&FA and charges made . As we know none of those bodies had a clue and dare I say they won’t have a clue about other clubs third party payments which I would put money on is commonplace.


Oh the "everyone is at it" defence is rolled out.

If there was no benefit and it wasn't dodgy you would have done it through the proper means pal.

Nothing else you have written changes that.

They didn't acknowledge the sporting advantage because they knew we would hammer them in court over the lack of point deductions.

I would put money on it not being commonplace though I can certainly see why it would be to your benefit to believe that.
 
Oh the "everyone is at it" defence is rolled out.

If there was no benefit and it wasn't dodgy you would have done it through the proper means pal.

Nothing else you have written changes that.

They didn't acknowledge the sporting advantage because they knew we would hammer them in court over the lack of point deductions.

I would put money on it not being commonplace though I can certainly see why it would be to your benefit to believe that.
Have you not grasped they couldn’t make some of the payments through what you call proper means! You can only pay accredited agents and or intermediaries and a huge chunk of the monies paid went to that type of individual.pal

If you don’t think that off book payments are common place then that’s up to you . Ironically one of the most common practices is by inflating image rights . HMRC have agreed settlement after settlement in that regard.

Tell me what court you think Everton can take the PL ? It would have to be to a PL arbitration hearing and what would be Everton’s claim ? That two IC ( because one had to sign off Chelsea settlement) agreed two different sanctions?
 
Have you not grasped they couldn’t make some of the payments through what you call proper means! You can only pay accredited agents and or intermediaries and a huge chunk of the monies paid went to that type of individual.pal

If you don’t think that off book payments are common place then that’s up to you . Ironically one of the most common practices is by inflating image rights . HMRC have agreed settlement after settlement in that regard.

Tell me what court you think Everton can take the PL ? It would have to be to a PL arbitration hearing and what would be Everton’s claim ? That two IC ( because one had to sign off Chelsea settlement) agreed two different sanctions?

I have grasped that you were paying backhanded bungs and hiding it through third parties and you want to claim there was no benefit to doing so.

I am no sports lawyer but there is a court of arbitration for sport that I am aware of so probably there I would guess.
 
As for the regulator internal matters of this sort aren’t within their area of responsibility.
Then what is the point of a Regulator?

It is blindingly obvious to even the most half-witted observer that the sanctions are being applied on an ad-hoc basis, clearly designed to protect the clubs that draw the biggest money into the pot.

If a regulator is not designed to address such inbalance, what the hell is it there for?

No amount of weasel words will obfuscate the long term cheating in this case and the blatant and obvious creative accounting that has allowed this Johnnie-cum-lately club to avoid (but not evade) rules and regulations, allegedly to give an even playing field.

Chuck them out of the league, along with the current management team of the PL.

Don’t bother responding @WestStandLower as your attempts to minimise your clubs corrupt behaviour invalidates your opinion.
 
If the strong rumours today about City being docked 60 points become true, it makes the Chelsea decision even more outrageous.

Surely Masters and the PL will not be able to resist the backlash for obviously protecting one of its favourite clubs?

Absolutely scandalous.
 

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