Current Affairs How old were you when you grew up and stopped voting Labour?
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rascal
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Day of the election this year
Well, dur.
magicjuan
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Capitalism is competition based economics. Therefore someone loses. The capitalism we live under endeavours to achieve greater disproportionate wealth to a smaller minority at the cost of a growing minority, the extremes it reaches now have left the 3rd world, bypassed the second tier and have reached deep into the 1st world, things like food banks and homelessness are driving examples. These are known consequences. Capitalism is a soulless system sold on the back of a blatant lie of trickle down economics.
Ergo, an enemy to a majority.
Ron Swanson
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Have never had the opportunity
always end up voting for them, despite not liking a lot of the MPs and haven't for about 20 years .
High tax regimes invariably result in much less tax revenues being received by the government for redistribution to the vulnerable. And that is why I do not support socialism.
abelard
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_to_GDP_ratio
My feelings do not care about facts, and I am comfortable claiming almost anything without bothering to confirm just because it feels like it should be true. And that is why I support right-wing populism.
Adam-GOTTV
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So I left the Labour Party a couple of months after the EU referendum. Not because of the referendum, but because I'd slowly started to move away from some of the key positions of the party and the 'modern left' as a whole (especially its more authoritarian tendencies). I got excited by Corbyn at first because I suppose I'm naturally drawn to people who attack the status quo, and at the time, the rest of the candidates were dog turds. But then I was quickly turned off the more I learned about him, his ideology, and some of the illiberal people/movements he's historically aligned with. My departure also coincided with me diversifying what I read, which exposed me to some new ideas, which had a further impact too. I can't recommend doing that enough, btw. The internet and social media can push you into a neat box so it's important to get other perspectives.
I don't particularly like censorship, which Labour seems quite keen on. I just don't believe it's productive and it empowers those with views we should challenge. I'm not a massive fan of bureaucracy either, quite big on people having personal autonomy over their own lives, not a huge fan of a big over-bearing state that wants to peer into every area of an individuals life. I also hate the abandonment of class for racialised politics and the embrace of ideas like 'white privilege'. It's just all so reactionary and some of it quite dangerous.
Regarding Capitalism, I understand and appreciate issues with unfettered markets and I do think there's a place for the state, however, it's hard to deny the positive impact capitalism has had on humanity and I'm big on maximising it to leverage human potential.
With all this said, I'm absolutely not a Conservative. Very much still socially liberal and centre left on most of the issues. I hate that criticism of the Labour party now seems to automatically = Tory. That party is no friend of anything I've listed above either. I'm currently politically homeless, tbh.
*I don't doubt some of you will disagree with this, and feel free to pull me up on anything you think I'm wrong on - but please continue to listen to our podcasts.
I don't particularly like censorship, which Labour seems quite keen on. I just don't believe it's productive and it empowers those with views we should challenge. I'm not a massive fan of bureaucracy either, quite big on people having personal autonomy over their own lives, not a huge fan of a big over-bearing state that wants to peer into every area of an individuals life. I also hate the abandonment of class for racialised politics and the embrace of ideas like 'white privilege'. It's just all so reactionary and some of it quite dangerous.
Regarding Capitalism, I understand and appreciate issues with unfettered markets and I do think there's a place for the state, however, it's hard to deny the positive impact capitalism has had on humanity and I'm big on maximising it to leverage human potential.
With all this said, I'm absolutely not a Conservative. Very much still socially liberal and centre left on most of the issues. I hate that criticism of the Labour party now seems to automatically = Tory. That party is no friend of anything I've listed above either. I'm currently politically homeless, tbh.
*I don't doubt some of you will disagree with this, and feel free to pull me up on anything you think I'm wrong on - but please continue to listen to our podcasts.
Fedlingen
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I'm proud that i live in a town where most people vote for our equivalent of what is your labour, in a country currently run by another party.
Proud that i live in a region where people locally chose higher taxes to support the elderly and those less fortunate. I'll gladly pay more taxes to help those around me, and I'm by no means well off nor poor.
Proud that i live in a region where people locally chose higher taxes to support the elderly and those less fortunate. I'll gladly pay more taxes to help those around me, and I'm by no means well off nor poor.
magicjuan
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So I left the Labour Party a couple of months after the EU referendum. Not because of the referendum, but because I'd slowly started to move away from some of the key positions of the party and the 'modern left' as a whole (especially its more authoritarian tendencies). I got excited by Corbyn at first because I suppose I'm naturally drawn to people who attack the status quo, and at the time, the rest of the candidates were dog turds. But then I was quickly turned off the more I learned about him, his ideology, and some of the illiberal people/movements he's historically aligned with. My departure also coincided with me diversifying what I read, which exposed me to some new ideas, which had a further oimpact too. I can't recommend doing that enough, btw. The internet and social media can push you into a neat box so it's important to get other perspectives.
I don't particularly like censorship, which Labour seems quite keen on. I just don't believe it's productive and it empowers those with views we should challenge. I'm not a massive fan of bureaucracy either, quite big on people having personal autonomy over their own lives, not a huge fan of a big over-bearing state that wants to peer into every area of an individuals life. I also hate the abandonment of class for racialised politics and the embrace of ideas like 'white privilege'. It's just all so reactionary and some of it quite dangerous.
Regarding Capitalism, I understand and appreciate issues with unfettered markets and I do think there's a place for the state, however, it's hard to deny the positive impact capitalism has had on humanity and I'm big on maximising it to leverage human potential.
With all this said, I'm absolutely not a Conservative. Very much still socially liberal and centre left on most of the issues. I hate that criticism of the Labour party now seems to automatically = Tory. That party is no friend of anything I've listed above either. I'm currently politically homeless, tbh.
*I don't doubt some of you will disagree with this, and feel free to pull me up on anything you think I'm wrong on - but please continue to listen to our podcasts.
There's a tendency to see only the media portrayal of socialism, attacked and undermined over decades as the cold war wasn't the US v USSR but capitalism v communism/leftish thinking (all buried in one pile), and then see the espousal of capitalist ideology as 'considered'. It is very biased, it serves profit above all else, see the state of the the US and the UK as examples of uncaring policies. There is no social cohesion, no community, no purpose other than the benefit of a shrinking and heavily protected minority at the cost of a growing disenfranchised majority, left with little to no means of defence.
If you coukd provide examples of capitalist benefits I'd be happy to debate them.
roydo
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Thats an interesting question. Like you know, I am not an "Ist" of anything really, and I dont see the world as a battle between one "Ism" or another.
I do see a world, or rather, the UK, rightly or wrongly, that enables anyone with a Wifi link able to buy a jumper or some dog food at any time of the day, and then get it delivered in a few days time. I think thats a good thing. Customer gets what they want, all sorts of folk get paid through the delivery chain, all powered by capitalist concerns.
I do have more sympathy with the consumerism that envelops us though. And I guess that is part of your issue; the almost inevitable result of capitalism. But folk should grow a pair. Take responsibility for their own decisions, as long as there is a robust and funded safety net for those more vulnerable than most.
In the context of so called developing countries, you will see many schools being ran by private entrepreneurs, although often within in a framework of government legislation. The fact is that in many cases, the state has simply proved itself to be incapable of providing an inclusive and extensive education system. It then falls upon members of the community, often parents, to set up small low fee private schools with the specific aim to provide education to the poorer segments of society.
Obviously there exists many critiques of the notion of mixing the market with what many consider to be a social need. however, I personally feel it exemplifies that we’re not all brain washed civilians working with a culture that rewards greed and exploitation. For many people, in a specific context, capitalism can help successfully provide goods and services,
.... up the toffees ?
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