zzr45
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I bow to your superior knowledge there then.
Current Affairs How old were you when you grew up and stopped voting Labour?
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bol-uk
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Can you give me some examples of this? Actual anti semitism from the Labour party. The ones I have been given so far are rubbish, nothing more than crass, badly made comments, or a couple party members who were admittedly out of order. To tar a whole political party on the basis of this is laughable ESPECIALLY given the decades long catalogue of crimes committed by the tories.
It is akin to saying Everton are a racist club cos of the actions of a few of our fans, the idiots!
Seems like many of you are just jumping on the tory propaganda bandwagon.
Shame.
The "anti-semitism controversy" has been stoked up by the Tory press on behalf of the establishment to discredit Corbyn. It's as obvious as night follows day. The same thing happened with the 'Corbyn is a Czech spy' nonsense. Surely everyone can see through it....well maybe not everyone.
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tsubaki
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The difference between the Czech spy and this though is that there actually are people in and around Labour (and people who Corbyn has met with) whose current and previous views are questionable at best, and that the response from Corbyn to this has been less than satisfactory.
That the Tory press and the internal Labour opposition are using it again should not surprise anyone, but that Corbyn has failed to deal with it (the issue, rather than people who have acted in an anti-semitic way) again is almost unforgiveable.
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Haha. How many Daily Mail headlines can you get in one sentence?
I'm surprised you didn't add communist, Putin supporting immigrant lover for a full house.
zzr45
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I see you didn’t get the point. Well done.
Really are some gullible people around.
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The LP memberships refusal to give ground to the Israeli state's rabid British apologists and leave the people of occupied lands isolated will continue to impress rather than repel. It's things like that which have seen membership swell from 190,000 to 552,000 in less than three years and an electoral recovery which was way beyond the failed Blairite rump of the party.
In short: your vote wont be missed.
A couple of issues with that Dave. Firstly, do you really believe the Middle East is a factor behind people becoming members of the Labour Party? Secondly, do you believe the membership is reflective of the Labour electorate? Lastly, wasn't it the Blairite rump of the party that delivered the best electoral success the Labour party has ever had, and some might argue saved it from the oblivion of the Foot/Kinnock years?
Seems a bit revisionist to laud the 30 seat gain made by Corbyn and deride the 148 seat gain made by Blair. It was the kind of jump last seen under Atlee.
And this was despite May being the worst leader in living memory. Corbyn did well in London, where most of his cabinet are from, and the north-west and north-east, which would presumably require hell to freeze over before voting Tory. Scotland was still lost, as were vast swathes of the country. This notion that he's the best thing since Napolean I find baffling.
davek
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Yes I do believe issues like a principled stand on the Palestinian question has won back members and new members to the LP. Lots of former members sick of the Blairite years streamed back into the party after Corbyn was elected.A couple of issues with that Dave. Firstly, do you really believe the Middle East is a factor behind people becoming members of the Labour Party? Secondly, do you believe the membership is reflective of the Labour electorate? Lastly, wasn't it the Blairite rump of the party that delivered the best electoral success the Labour party has ever had, and some might argue saved it from the oblivion of the Foot/Kinnock years?
Seems a bit revisionist to laud the 30 seat gain made by Corbyn and deride the 148 seat gain made by Blair. It was the kind of jump last seen under Atlee.
And this was despite May being the worst leader in living memory. Corbyn did well in London, where most of his cabinet are from, and the north-west and north-east, which would presumably require hell to freeze over before voting Tory. Scotland was still lost, as were vast swathes of the country. This notion that he's the best thing since Napolean I find baffling.
On the matter of Blairites winning a thumping majority: yes? What relevance does that have to today? They are incapable of delivering their programme and gaining ANY ground with it now. It has been thoroughly rejected by the British people...as Brown and then Miliband's watered down centrist programme underlined in 2010 and 2015. And May going into the election had massive personal ratings and her party a 20 odd point lead. It's patently ridiculous to suggest Corbyn's Labour didn't have a stupendous 2017 election campaign to deny the Tories the majority that looked easily theirs.
And that Labour do well in certain parts of the country and not in others is hardly a development is it? The partial disintegration of LP strength in the Midlands and the North West took shape under New Labour and Corbyn has arrested that. On Scotland: that will be a close race next time. The Tories have already slipped back to 3rd place behind Labour and the party's internal polling suggest they are closing right in on the SNP. That would have been unthinkable if one of the Blairite drones had succeeded Miliband.
Sometimes you just have to give ground and accept that others are correct, it's churlish not to.....
I think you're deluding yourself tbh. Not only was May awful during the campaign, but she and her party have been awful for much of their time in government. Brexit has understandably consumed the vast majority of their attention (which is what made the Labour manifesto so patently absurd), yet they're making a mess of it.
You'd imagine therefore that given Corbyn's bounce during the election that his trajectory would have continued, with the Tories going into freefall. You've got poor performances in government, a very weak leader and the general staleness that affects any government that has been in power for 8 years already. Yet despite all of that, Labour still trail the Tories in the polls.
Indeed, infamously earlier this year YouGov polls found Corbyn in 3rd place in the 'who would make the best prime minister' stakes, comfortably behind May and 'Don't Know'. Of course, you can argue about the reliability of such polls, but it's hardly a ringing endorsement of the man. I get that he's the nearest thing to your own outlook on life that has represented the Labour party in a very long time, and so you think he's great, but I'm not sure that vast chunks of the country agree with you.
davek
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As said, it's churlish not to recognise an upturn in Labours performance. The LP were dead and buried when Corbyn took over. The disastrous Maybot election for the Tories was brought about by the comparison with Corbyns performance. His self assured performance threw into stark relief how woeful May is AND how bankrupt the Tories are beyond their Brexit obsession. It was that pressure from Corbyns politics and how it was resonating with the electorate when given a fair hearing that saw the Tory lead crumble. He closed right down on their lead, and subsequently we've seen minor leads for both major parties in the opinion polls. THAT's the reality.
If Corbyn looks weak then it's due to his own party right wingers continually throwing a spanner in the works. A running sore that will only be finally healed when or if deselections and expulsions are adopted, which is what I've advocated.
I dont think he's great, btw. I merely hold a healthy respect for someone who can see that the invasion of the market into all aspects of life has been a disaster for the fabric of the nation.
If Corbyn looks weak then it's due to his own party right wingers continually throwing a spanner in the works. A running sore that will only be finally healed when or if deselections and expulsions are adopted, which is what I've advocated.
I dont think he's great, btw. I merely hold a healthy respect for someone who can see that the invasion of the market into all aspects of life has been a disaster for the fabric of the nation.
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