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[peteblue]

The man hasn't got a hateful bone in his body he does however hate injustice and can not be bought off like most politicians

Don’t be silly, even Jesus Christ lashed out at the money lenders. Painting Corbyn as a Saint without objectively viewing what he does or says does the Labour Party no benefit.......

 

[peteblue]

I suppose Corbynistas Jon Lansman was there with Momentum, shouting his anti-Semitic slurs, your right its not right, but there we are, sections of the media and political opponents both professional and amateurs are in the realms of the absurd with their disdain of Jeremy Corbyn.

In the case of his comments via Russia, his ‘political opponents’ appear to be his own MP.....

 

[Jib in lad]

Don’t be silly, even Jesus Christ lashed out at the money lenders. Painting Corbyn as a Saint without objectively viewing what he does or says does the Labour Party no benefit.......

You mistake anger for hate.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

In the case of his comments via Russia, his ‘political opponents’ appear to be his own MP.....

Blairites, quelle surprise, maybe they should join Anna Ken et al. And form a new party!

 

[magicjuan]

You quoted the pro Russian bit, not the anti semitism. I have said many times before that I don’t believe Corbyn is racist in any way, but that he doesn’t like the USA and by extension Israel. If he has ever spoken up for Israel, or defended them in any way, I’d be grateful for the quote....and yes I do have an agenda, I really dislike Corbyn and believe he will destroy the Labour Party.......

Is there a difference between anti semitism and racism?
As for destroying the labour party, to the overwhelming majority of its members and supporters, and, much to your disappointment, he's doing a very poor job at destroying it, wouldn't you say?

 

[peteblue]

Is there a difference between anti semitism and racism?
As for destroying the labour party, to the overwhelming majority of its members and supporters, and, much to your disappointment, he's doing a very poor job at destroying it, wouldn't you say?

I think there is, racism tends to be against more than one grouping of people whereas anti semitism seems particularly pointed, but that’s a thread in its own right....

In terms of destroying the Labour Party, the man is proving divisive, his sackings and resignations are too numerous to ignore. Good Labour folk are now being attacked or deselected by his activists and he is ensuring that the conservatives will win the next election. He had his Jezza bounce, but he’s now being shown up and discredited over a variety of issues and his lack of leadership and statesmanship over the Russian nerve agent beggars belief, especially when numerous countries are lining up to throw out Russian ‘diplomats’......

 

[zzr45]

Well, some of the posts on here have certainly been illuminating. Racisms all good when it comes from the left.

 

[magicjuan]

I think there is, racism tends to be against more than one grouping of people whereas anti semitism seems particularly pointed, but that’s a thread in its own right....

In terms of destroying the Labour Party, the man is proving divisive, his sackings and resignations are too numerous to ignore. Good Labour folk are now being attacked or deselected by his activists and he is ensuring that the conservatives will win the next election. He had his Jezza bounce, but he’s now being shown up and discredited over a variety of issues and his lack of leadership and statesmanship over the Russian nerve agent beggars belief, especially when numerous countries are lining up to throw out Russian ‘diplomats’......

Divisive? A few Blairites try to bring him down, twice in contests, incessantly with media bias and support, that's divisive when they're doing it as careerists?
'His' sackings? Compared to those of Tessie May?
His behaviour over the nerve gas stuff showed more statesmanship than any warmongering nuke 'em belligerent minister from May through to Johnson.
You're really clutching at straws here.

 

[Milkman]

This has got the feeling of the Blairites last throw of the dice. They've put everything into this one. Maybe they might finally leave after this and enjoy their political oblivion.

Also, even for you @peteblue, this disingenuous outrage is pretty embarrassing,

 

[peteblue]

Divisive? A few Blairites try to bring him down, twice in contests, incessantly with media bias and support, that's divisive when they're doing it as careerists?
'His' sackings? Compared to those of Tessie May?
His behaviour over the nerve gas stuff showed more statesmanship than any warmongering nuke 'em belligerent minister from May through to Johnson.
You're really clutching at straws here.

I think you are ignoring his plight. Louise Ellman, someone who I both know and have respect for, is currently on the TV saying that he has to deal with this anti semitism. She made a really good point when she said that Corbyn recognises right wing anti semitism but refuses to see left wing anti semitism, and tbh he’s not the only one.

He has had more people either refusing to join the shadow cabinet, or resigning from the Sc or being fired from the Sc than any previous political leader. He is divisive. I agree about Blairites and indeed that absolute cretin Blair himself, but that happens to be the Labour Party. At least Davek recognises that it should be purged to move to what he believes a PLP should look like. His response to the nerve gas was one of defence of Russia, had it been done by the Americans or heaven forbid the Israelis then he would have been screaming it from the rooftops, and his own MP’s recognise this. May, on the other hand was cold and deliberate and has gotten most Western and sensible states to back her up. No one other than Russia would agree with Corbyn. Clutching at straws, I think not.......

 

[peteblue]

This has got the feeling of the Blairites last throw of the dice. They've put everything into this one. Maybe they might finally leave after this and enjoy their political oblivion.

Also, even for you @peteblue, this disingenuous outrage is pretty embarrassing,

It’s not outrage. The man is doing a fantastic job both for the conservatives and the Brexit camp, and long may it continue.......

 

[davek]

I think you are ignoring his plight. Louise Ellman, someone who I both know and have respect for, is currently on the TV saying that he has to deal with this anti semitism. She made a really good point when she said that Corbyn recognises right wing anti semitism but refuses to see left wing anti semitism, and tbh he’s not the only one.

He has had more people either refusing to join the shadow cabinet, or resigning from the Sc or being fired from the Sc than any previous political leader. He is divisive. I agree about Blairites and indeed that absolute cretin Blair himself, but that happens to be the Labour Party. At least Davek recognises that it should be purged to move to what he believes a PLP should look like. His response to the nerve gas was one of defence of Russia, had it been done by the Americans or heaven forbid the Israelis then he would have been screaming it from the rooftops, and his own MP’s recognise this. May, on the other hand was cold and deliberate and has gotten most Western and sensible states to back her up. No one other than Russia would agree with Corbyn. Clutching at straws, I think not.......

Bought and paid for by the Israeli lobby she is.

I just watched her on Newsnight and it's clear one of the objectives here is to have the word Zionist taking out of the political lexicon. That's what she means when she refers to "left wing anti-semitism". Anti-Zionism is a legitimate critique of the religious fundamentalist and apartheid Israeli state - every bit as reprehensible as the South African apartheid regime was.

She and the rest of her deplorable crew won't get away with it. There's no way that condemnation of the Israeli state will be silenced, nor will the boycotts against it.

 

[Kurt.]

When I read your post, I have this impression of someone with their eyes closed, hands over ears, shouting LALALALALA.....

Ironic

 

[electricblue]

Bought and paid for by the Israeli lobby she is.

I just watched her on Newsnight and it's clear one of the objectives here is to have the word Zionist taking out of the political lexicon. That's what she means when she refers to "left wing anti-semitism". Anti-Zionism is a legitimate critique of the religious fundamentalist and apartheid Israeli state - every bit as reprehensible as the South African apartheid regime was.

She and the rest of her deplorable crew won't get away with it. There's no way that condemnation of the Israeli state will be silenced, nor will the boycotts against it.

It's utterly ridiculous that anyone who criticises the Israeli state for it's aggressive militaristic foreign policy towards it's neigbours is accused of being anti-Semitic. Religion and politics really need to be seen as being separate entities.

 

[magicjuan]

I think you are ignoring his plight. Louise Ellman, someone who I both know and have respect for, is currently on the TV saying that he has to deal with this anti semitism. She made a really good point when she said that Corbyn recognises right wing anti semitism but refuses to see left wing anti semitism, and tbh he’s not the only one.

He has had more people either refusing to join the shadow cabinet, or resigning from the Sc or being fired from the Sc than any previous political leader. He is divisive. I agree about Blairites and indeed that absolute cretin Blair himself, but that happens to be the Labour Party. At least Davek recognises that it should be purged to move to what he believes a PLP should look like. His response to the nerve gas was one of defence of Russia, had it been done by the Americans or heaven forbid the Israelis then he would have been screaming it from the rooftops, and his own MP’s recognise this. May, on the other hand was cold and deliberate and has gotten most Western and sensible states to back her up. No one other than Russia would agree with Corbyn. Clutching at straws, I think not.......

So there are 'representatives' that will represent on their terms and for their interests only, not follow the wishes of members and policy formed in the correct manner. Boo hoo for them. It is the single biggest issue amongst the political masses, that the people don't count, yet you yourself constantly remind us of the legitimacy of the brexit vote. Goose, gander?
Russia, really. 21st century McCarthyism, cold war posturing versus diplomatic go through the proper procedures and provide evidence before poking the bear.
Many in the west have been and still are itching for a major conflict. This one is beginning to get scarier and if you want to go fight the cossacks then do so, I'll stay here thanks.