Their ideology has been forming for well over a century. It's just gotten more and more radical with each iteration.
Current Affairs How do we tackle terrorism?
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Their ideology has been forming for well over a century. It's just gotten more and more radical with each iteration.
Islamic terror existed long before 2003. Our leaders have made many errors of judgement, but to suggest this is our fault is nonsense. This country is welcoming to law abiding folk of any class colour or creed and should remain so. We need to accept the root cause of the issue here is the hate preachers who encourage extreme and radicalise muslim kids. We need to take them off our streets.
roydo
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As a Merican, whats the accepted cause of 911?
Billy Dean
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Osama bin Laden in 1996:
abelard
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yep
from the Chilcot Report:
http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/media...ent-international-terrorism-war-with-iraq.pdf
"JIC Assessment, 10 February 2003
INTERNATIONAL TERROR
ISM: WAR WITH IRAQ
Key Judgements
I.
The threat from Al Qaida will increase at the onset of any military action against Iraq. They will target
Coalition forces and other Western interests in the Middle East. Attacks against Western interests
elsewhere are also likely, especially in the US and UK, for maximum impact. The worldwide threat
from other Islamist terrorist groups and individuals will increase significantly."
Prospects
18.
Despite a significant body of intelligence on Iraq’s preparations to conduct terrorism against
Western interests,[...], we have seen no persuasive evidence that these efforts will be effective.
Al Qaida and associated groups will continue to represent by far the greatest terrorist threat to Western
interests, and that threat will be heightened by military action against Iraq.The broader threat from
Islamist terrorists will also increase in the event of war, reflecting intensified anti-US/anti-Western sentiment
in the Muslim world, including among Muslim communities in the West. And there is a risk that the transfer
of CB material or expertise, during or in the aftermath of conflict, will enhance Al Qaida’s capabilities."
That's probably true yeah.
But I don't think it's acceptable that we simply accept it's all our own responsibility and shrug our shoulders again the next time we have an attack. We need to tackle the problem. I don't have the answers myself, far from it. But the government have a duty to protect us better and need to take a firmer approach as they see fit. Going on forever like nothing happened, and ignoring the problem like an elephant in the room is negligent to those generations that follow us.
Yes mate, every murderer has an 'excuse' for what they did. It doesn't mean you should go, "oh, alright then, we'll do what you say."
The list of reasons for bin Laden was enough to fill a book; anything and everything he could think of as 'justification' he threw in there.
You know what would have happened if the US left Saudi Arabia? He'd have bombed the towers for another reason instead. Pretty much by his own admission.
Bin Laden viewed America as an enemy of Islam because of a laundry list of things. From wiki:
- support for the "attacks against Muslims" in Somalia
- support of Philippines against Muslims in the Moro conflict
- support for Israeli "aggression" against Muslims in Lebanon
- support of Russian "atrocities against Muslims" in Chechnya
- pro-American governments in the Middle East (who "act as your agents") being against Muslim interests
The idea of us trying to find reasons to justify the atrocities carried out against our citizens is a slippery slope. Not one I want to go down very far....
All of our actions have consequences and we need to be mindful of that, but there can never be any justification of murder. It's wrong. And it always will be wrong.
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At the very least the west were happy to let them thrive for the purpose of weakening Assad.
So you have a terrorist telling you his demands, and your solution is to accept his demands...
Ok then... you... you do realise that the moment you accept those demands, he makes up other reasons and demands acquiescence on those too right? There's a reason the phrase "don't negotiate with terrorists" exists.
ISIS doesn't want the west to give in to a few demands - they want it gone. Obliterated. The crime of the west in their eyes is simply existing - unless you propose that we cease to exist, we can't just "stay out of their business". It's impossible.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
So when an American drone goes into Afghanistan and kills innocent people you can't see the hypocrisy of it all?
Well said. ISIS were laying dormant in Iraq until Uncle Sam and the Saudi came calling and prodded them to get involved in Syria to change the regime. Originally, they were called the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant but added Syria to their name. The Caliphate became an area that is in Iraq and Syria. Whilst they were fighting against Assad they were the 'good guys' but elements went 'rogue' and fought for their own agenda.
roydo
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Thing is, if they said, Ok, we are packing all this in, it would stop.
If we said, Ok, we will pack all this in, it wouldnt.
I see no justification for killing afghan civilians. I see no justification for terrorists killing British civilians. What I do see justification for is the British state doing more to clamp down on those radicalising young British citizens. The rights of our society as a whole are not trumped by the rights of any individual. We need to root out the radicalisers and the encouragers of murder off our streets.
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