Current Affairs Her majesty the Queen

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I acknowledge that she may not have a been a particularly popular figure for some people (for whatever reason) but some of the crassness that's permeated social media over the last 12 hours has been awful really. Her death isn't something to be celebrated.

You can disagree with the monarchy all you like, but what exactly was the problem with her? ?‍♂️ she pretty much led us into this modern Britain and did the same for the commonwealth...
For me some never forgave her or family in how Diana was treated even after death, its reported that it took the PM (Blair) to plead her to show some emotion over the death of her grandchildren's mother (William and Harry),
 
It is basically that isn't it?

I'm unhappy so you have to be unhappy as well, even though someone I didn't personally know has died

Even if I can't see what you're doing I need to KNOW that you're unhappy, so the things you like need to be banned until I'm satisfied that I've grieved enough

Utterly bonkers

yeah, it's mad. have a min silence at the game, wear a black armband - it's not difficult if you really have to show how much you case
 
She was the monarch.
And? she was still a person. A person who did an astounding amount for this country and the commonwealth. Just because she was part of a regime that, many many years ago, got up to some unsavory business that doesn't make her guilty by default. She did more than anyone to 'undo' some of the past mistakes, including the decolonisation of many countries into independence.
 
I had some fun in here last night, mainly at the fake gestures on social media etc, but wanted to articulate my thoughts.

I’m as far away from a royalist as ya can get really, and understand the points about forced periods of mourning etc, so I’ll probably get a bit of flak for this.

But I think this is how I will remember the queen.

This photo is the epitome of leadership. At a time when the PM and his cabinet was having parties breaking the rules they had set. The Health minister had been horsing his secretary behind his wife’s back. The PMs right hand man had sat and lied to the country about driving 40 miles to test his eyes. (All these things actually happened from the ‘people in charge’).

However the queen followed the rules, put in place for the safety of others, to the letter, and to her own detriment. Publicly. It set an incredible example.

Genuine leadership at a time when our actual ‘leaders’ showed none.


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Sums up my thoughts nicely, cheers.
 
I had some fun in here last night, mainly at the fake gestures on social media etc, but wanted to articulate my thoughts.

I’m as far away from a royalist as ya can get really, and understand the points about forced periods of mourning etc, so I’ll probably get a bit of flak for this.

But I think this is how I will remember the queen.

This photo is the epitome of leadership. At a time when the PM and his cabinet was having parties breaking the rules they had set. The Health minister had been horsing his secretary behind his wife’s back. The PMs right hand man had sat and lied to the country about driving 40 miles to test his eyes. (All these things actually happened from the ‘people in charge’).

However the queen followed the rules, put in place for the safety of others, to the letter, and to her own detriment. Publicly. It set an incredible example.

Genuine leadership at a time when our actual ‘leaders’ showed none.


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Far from a royalist myself but agree with you here. She has always conducted herself in manner that dignifies the position she is in, unlike the shower that tend to occupy Downing St and the Commons / Lords.

Feel for her family first and foremost, and respect her devotion to a role that was foist upon her. Lets not forget though that she has had a most privileged life and leaves an unimaginable wealth for her descendants built off the back of all of us and those who preceded us.

Personally I will be avoiding all the national mourning as I did for Diana. Hopefully Charles will make further cuts to trim back the monarchy.

RIP
 
I acknowledge that she may not have a been a particularly popular figure for some people (for whatever reason) but some of the crassness that's permeated social media over the last 12 hours has been awful really. Her death isn't something to be celebrated.

You can disagree with the monarchy all you like, but what exactly was the problem with her? ?‍♂️ she pretty much led us into this modern Britain and did the same for the commonwealth...
I also find the wave of phony grieving to be incredibly crass too.

Just had Talksport on in the car and Sawyer and Cascarino talking about her in hushed tones is just weird. People getting proper angry if people are not grieving enough or in the correct manner for somebody they didn't even know. It's all a bit odd.

Do people actually have a problem with the Queen herself? I would say most of any backlash would be against the monarchy and just the general institution including the media etc and the reaction.

People who are going to struggle to heat their house or feed themselves over the upcoming months are probably not too bothered about the passing of someone with multiple palaces, untold riches and some pretty dodgy history (The royalty in general) whilst doing nothing for it yet being told that she "worked" for 70 years and was loyal to the country (literally her actual country).

That's where the backlash will be coming from. It's not about agreeing with it, more understanding it.
 
And? she was still a person. A person who did an astounding amount for this country and the commonwealth. Just because she was part of a regime that, many many years ago, got up to some unsavory business that doesn't make her guilty by default. She did more than anyone to 'undo' some of the past mistakes, including the decolonisation of many countries into independence.
A person who was a representation of the monarchy.
 
Why can't we have both?

How is football being played going to curtail their grief and sorrow?

Just shut the TV off and don't go the match

They can grieve, we can have our football

Will grieving be impossible for them if they know others aren't?

Why should their desire to grieve be more important than those who just want to live life as normal?
I think the thrust of it is to create a space in which absolute wrong uns who are laughing and frotaging at an elderly lady dying have the opportunity to reflect upon their pathetic lives.
 
Why can't we have both?

How is football being played going to curtail their grief and sorrow?

Just shut the TV off and don't go the match

They can grieve, we can have our football

Will grieving be impossible for them if they know others aren't?

Why should their desire to grieve be more important than those who just want to live life as normal?
This is heartless, I am literally in tears here, please just let us grieve.
 
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