Greek Financial Crisis

[AussieToffee]

This is ridiculous.

You've just bought into the fact that Greece cannot do any wrong and the Trioka - who've been funding greece's debt are the bad guys

When the reality is that Greece is still not hitting its financial targets and defacto expects haircut to the debt

Rather than proper reform.

The truth of the matter is that Greece is in the position its in due to tax evasion and corruption.

How is this the Trioka's fault?

By the Trioka its meant the IMF, the EU and the ECB.

Hardly terrorist organisations are they?

Forgive me if my ranting is no longer making any sense. I don't know what's up or down anymore

I'm done here.

 

[bizzaro]

Forgive me if my ranting is no longer making any sense. I don't know what's up or down anymore

The fact is that the EU/ECB may have granted gradual haircutting of the debt.

However the Greek government / Syritza are simply unwilling to meet any conditions or meet proper financial targets. Keep shifting the goal posts.


They've sold a lie to the Greek people.

Either way the days of Greece as was are over.

 

[SNova]

Lies. The referendums in Holland and France meant that those parties of the treaty implementing a constitution treaty remained unratified.

Fact.

The lisbon treaty implemented certain elements of it that governments that signed it deemed were acceptable to them.

Its not undemocratic. Governments of the day were given mandates to work in the interests of the people they represented in signing the treaty.

What the current UK government wants is an amendment to certain elements of the treaty to allow specific concerns the UK has to be addressed.

This is not the same as saying we do not wish to be members.

Also the UK is not their biggest customer as we're one of them.

The USA is the EU's biggest customer.

Ignoring numerous member states, millions of ey citizens and passing it through under another name isn't undemocratic. Okay then.

Yes we are the the biggest customer to the rest of the EU, they sell us more than we sell them. So again, why wouldn't they trade with us?

Would German car manufacturers stop selling us cars even though we are their biggest customer? Of course not.

 

[bizzaro]

Ignoring numerous member states, millions of ey citizens and passing it through under another name isn't undemocratic. Okay then.

Yes we are the the biggest customer to the rest of the EU, they sell us more than we sell them. So again, why wouldn't they trade with us?

Would German car manufacturers stop selling us cars even though we are their biggest customer? Of course not.

We're an EU member. The 'trade figures' in goods may be higher but the deficit isn't actually that big when you factor in service figures.


I posted a blog article from 2013 about 6 pages back. I suggest you go have a read.

How bad it would be for the UK service sector if we pursued a Norway type agreement.

The service sector makes up 75% of UK GDP.

This is not just in banking either.

You're just totally not understanding this whole issue. Or the implications of what you say.

I believe deliberately

 

[davek]

Just spent 3 hours on the phone with my cousins and they're crying and afraid.

My military doctor cousin has baricaded his home with 3 months supplies a father with young 2 young children. he's actually afraid of a civil war

If they go back to the drachma their life savings in the bank are wiped out. Will become worthless.

My favourite cousin will lose over 100k. These are all YES voters.

Only two cousins of mine are voting NO, as they're in debt.

yet my aunty will lose her pension yet she still wants YES for the sake of her children who have large savings. It's all messed up.

One size does not fit all lad. It's easy for me to sit here in Australia and curse and want the bankers to be destroyed but i dont live there

I'm depressed for them all equally.

I rushed through all that because i'm basically rushed and panicking.

ridiculous

If 300 Spartans could fight off a Persian army, the whole of Greece can surely friggin man-up and see off a shower of lard arse German bankers and politicians who are now there for the taking.

The Greeks have been given a historical task they probably dont want but have anyway: to deal a mighty blow to neo-liberalism and turn the tide against it in mainland Europe,

OXI!!!!!!!!

 

[marnie]

If 300 Spartans could fight off a Persian army, the whole of Greece can surely friggin man-up and see off a shower of lard arse German bankers and politicians who are now there for the taking.

The Greeks have been given a historical task they probably dont want but have anyway: to deal a mighty blow to neo-liberalism and turn the tide against it in mainland Europe,

OXI!!!!!!!!

Voted No............. polls close at 5pm uk time so we should know by 7pm uk time................. it's a long old scary day.

 

[Chang Elephant]

The Greeks have been given a historical task they probably dont want but have anyway: to deal a mighty blow to neo-liberalism and turn the tide against it in mainland Europe,

They will be squeezed to fk by the Thatcher Kinder if they vote no. But Cuba did OK off the coast of Sh1tehawk central.

 

[Librarian]

Whatever about wealthy people voting or arguing in their own interest, it always amazes me how ordinary people argue and vote against their own interests. For many it is out of fear I suppose, others appear willing to delude themselves that they are part of the elite, if not in means then at least in ideology.

 

[Basil Fawlty]

#oxi

 

[bizzaro]

If 300 Spartans could fight off a Persian army, the whole of Greece can surely friggin man-up and see off a shower of lard arse German bankers and politicians who are now there for the taking.

The Greeks have been given a historical task they probably dont want but have anyway: to deal a mighty blow to neo-liberalism and turn the tide against it in mainland Europe,

OXI!!!!!!!!

Only @davek could try and turn this into a Frank Miller graphic novel.

 

[davek]

Only @davek could try and turn this into a Frank Miller graphic novel.

Trust you to be on the wrong side of history Bizzy.

 

[bizzaro]

Trust you to be on the wrong side of history Bizzy.

You're a commie.

I'm not.

We only agree on football related matters.

 

[Joey66]

TBH which ever way the vote goes they are in the mire, watch Gideon compare us to them in Wednesdays Budget - when he will make the rich richer and our poor poorer!
All to save when the sun is shining even though our national debt has risen under him!
Greece needed help from the EU it seems this club is I'm an aright Jack club!

 

[marnie]

Greek journos tell us No vote seems in front with 2 hrs till polls close. bbc.in/1M3DdtE@BBCNewshour

 

[Chang Elephant]

A few days ago we brought you this story about the cost to pensioners in Greece - with it, we published an image of an un-named man crying outside a bank in Thessaloniki.

He has now been named as Giorgos Chatzifotiadis, 77. On the day the image was taken, he went to four banks to withdraw his wife's pension - and was refused in each.

"I see my fellow citizens begging for a few cents to buy bread," the former coal miner told AFP. "I see more and more suicides. I am a sensitive person. I can not stand to see my country in this situation."

Mr Chatzifotiadis said he was unlikely to vote in the referendum as his nearest polling station was 80km (50 miles) away.

Few more years of Conservative govt and this is us