Greek Financial Crisis

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davek said:
I hope the Greek Government have a plan to rifle through ballot boxes and tear up thousands of Yes votes. That's the way to deal with the cowards who want to put their own countrymen in hell for the next decade.
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This is how I'm feeling but we better be right!

At the end of the day we don't know what it all means. I don't think Tsipras knows what it all means or the EURO or the Troika or the world economies.

A famous Plato quote comes to mind; "All is in flux nothing stands still" = things are evolving by the minute and changing the next, and then again. Many forces are at hand pushing and pulling for this to be an orderly exit for everybody. Somehow.

I don't know wtf I'm talking about either!

chaos.
 
I think there's so many misinformed posters on here that do not realise the potential implications to them and their friends and family (in the north west) of some of their assertions.

Jobs are at risk.

If you remember what it was like in 2009 or the early 1980's and similar most would be much more reluctant to make the assertions they are making.

What people want to see is people in employment.

In todays globalised economy you can be sure that jobs will not hang around here if the nutcases (yes its obvious who these are on here) get their own way.
 
bizzaro said:
Then your advocating the UK losing millions of jobs.

It's that simple.

It's not about the UK being independent or not.

The UK is part of a common market. This means trading within it is cheaper and therefore jobs have been created as a result.

I know thousands of firms that will be thinking twice about investing in the UK if we leave.

Since we will be even more susceptible to currency spikes.

This will disproportionately impact the north west (Liverpool and other local areas) that have significant manufacturing and service sectors that supply the EU.

It's people coming out with rubbish like you that will see people unemployed here.

What we want is the EU to be more efficient. To relocate some power back to UK parliament such as on immigration.

That is not the same as wanting to leave the EU !!!!
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We don't have to be in the EU to trade with the EU. We are their biggest customer so why wouldn't they trade with us? As for it being undemocratic, did you not see the referendums held by the Irish, the Dutch and the French. They all voted no for the Constitution, the EU ignored them and carried on snd passed it through under the lisbon treaty.
 
AussieToffee said:
This is how I'm feeling but we better be right!

At the end of the day we don't know what it all means. I don't think Tsipras knows what it all means or the EURO or the Troika or the world economies.

A famous Plato quote comes to mind; "All is in flux nothing stands still" = things are evolving by the minute and changing the next, and then again. Many forces are at hand pushing and pulling for this to be an orderly exit for everybody. Somehow.

I don't know wtf I'm talking about either!

chaos.
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Just pull the pin and see what happens.

How any Greek could countenance voting yes to what amounts to a kick in the bollocks, an uppercut to the chin, collapse to the floor and then being spat on, I dont know. They must be rich enough to withstand the coming punitive action or be able to profit from it...it was said that the streets lining the Yes protest on Friday were chocca with BMWs and Mercs parked on them. Which probably tells you all you need to know about the utter vermin who are about to knife their fellow countrymen and women in the back.
 
Before the UK joined the Common Market manufacturing was 25% of GDP. Now it is 9%. Conclusion. The UK manufacturing sector has declined since Britain joined the Common Market.

Don't you just love statistics.
 
hullefc said:
Before the UK joined the Common Market manufacturing was 25% of GDP. Now it is 9%. Conclusion. The UK manufacturing sector has declined since Britain joined the Common Market.

Don't you just love statistics.
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Aye.

Although those stats prove nothing in the way of cause and effect...
 
What the EU have essentially done to Tyzsis is essentially a reverse Marlon Brando in the Godfather - they've made him an offer he can't accept.
 
davek said:
Just pull the pin and see what happens.

How any Greek could countenance voting yes to what amounts to a kick in the bollocks, an uppercut to the chin, collapse to the floor and then being spat on, I dont know. They must be rich enough to withstand the coming punitive action or be able to profit from it...it was said that the streets lining the Yes protest on Friday were chocca with BMWs and Mercs parked on them. Which probably tells you all you need to know about the utter vermin who are about to knife their fellow countrymen and women in the back.
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Just spent 3 hours on the phone with my cousins and they're crying and afraid.

My military doctor cousin has baricaded his home with 3 months supplies a father with young 2 young children. he's actually afraid of a civil war

If they go back to the drachma their life savings in the bank are wiped out. Will become worthless.

My favourite cousin will lose over 100k. These are all YES voters.

Only two cousins of mine are voting NO, as they're in debt.

yet my aunty will lose her pension yet she still wants YES for the sake of her children who have large savings. It's all messed up.

One size does not fit all lad. It's easy for me to sit here in Australia and curse and want the bankers to be destroyed but i dont live there

I'm depressed for them all equally.

I rushed through all that because i'm basically rushed and panicking.

ridiculous
 
SNova said:
We don't have to be in the EU to trade with the EU. We are their biggest customer so why wouldn't they trade with us? As for it being undemocratic, did you not see the referendums held by the Irish, the Dutch and the French. They all voted no for the Constitution, the EU ignored them and carried on snd passed it through under the lisbon treaty.
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Lies. The referendums in Holland and France meant that those parties of the treaty implementing a constitution treaty remained unratified.

Fact.

The lisbon treaty implemented certain elements of it that governments that signed it deemed were acceptable to them.

Its not undemocratic. Governments of the day were given mandates to work in the interests of the people they represented in signing the treaty.

What the current UK government wants is an amendment to certain elements of the treaty to allow specific concerns the UK has to be addressed.

This is not the same as saying we do not wish to be members.

Also the UK is not their biggest customer as we're one of them.

The USA is the EU's biggest customer.
 
I've also just found out that my genius parents in Oz didn't take their money out from greece so if they go back to the drachma they will get wiped out hard. lol

Just found this out in the last 10 minutes so now i have no choice but to be tyes. wich makes me sick

i officially feel like a complete idiot now. all week i was NO vote, all over facebook blowing my own trumpet and today and sat me down
 
AussieToffee said:
I hate the troika with a passion. ISIS should do us a favour and end them
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This is ridiculous.

You've just bought into the fact that Greece cannot do any wrong and the Trioka - who've been funding greece's debt are the bad guys

When the reality is that Greece is still not hitting its financial targets and defacto expects haircut to the debt

Rather than proper reform.

The truth of the matter is that Greece is in the position its in due to tax evasion and corruption.

How is this the Trioka's fault?

By the Trioka its meant the IMF, the EU and the ECB.

Hardly terrorist organisations are they?
 
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