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[ForeverBlue92]

A simple yes or no question will sort this out.

Over the course of your life, do you think you will suffer the same kind of racial discrimination as a black person?

In the UK? No but If I moved to the middle East, China, Africa etc. Then yes as I would be in the minority.

I just think multiculturalism only works so far and for the minority of idiots so long as there are "groups" in society they'll engage in primitive tribalism.

A muslim girl who was in my year in school used to get taken out of Religious Education studies as her parents (practising muslims I assume) didnt want her studying other religions.

I think the day I can just put British on a job application and not "white, hetrosexual" (why does this matter?) and the day in the US there is no terms such as African American just "American" can we truly try end discrimination in our societies.

It is wonderful to be able to celebrate heritage and peoples different cultures and religious beliefs - but I think sadly alot of humans are not yet evolved enough to realise we're ultimately all the same and that the only divide is that of those who are born/live in privilege and the rest of us who live in the "real world" as I call it!

 

[Amw79]

Context is everything.

Exactly. This is the type of thing that people like to pretend they don’t understand, and that you can’t say or do anything anymore, but it’s rubbish.

The ok sign is used without problem all the time, because the context is clear.

When it’s used by a certain, now banned, poster, in this particular thread, after a day of trying to undermine the BLM cause, the context is also clear there.

 

[Hickson9]

Shout out to anyone on here who replies "All Lives Matter."

"All Lives" don't suffer racial discrimination like "Black Lives" do.

"All Lives Matter" was created as a direct response to "Black Lives Matter", in order to suppress the recognition of the racial inequality that exists.

If you say "All Lives Matter" within this debate about "Black Lives" and the ongoing racial discrimination they suffer, then I consider you to be ignorant or racist (or maybe both).

Black Lives Matter. Up the equality Toffees.

 

[Hickson9]

In the UK? No but If I moved to the middle East, China, Africa etc. Then yes as I would be in the minority.

I just think multiculturalism only works so far and for the minority of idiots so long as there are "groups" in society they'll engage in primitive tribalism.

A muslim girl who was in my year in school used to get taken out of Religious Education studies as her parents (practising muslims I assume) didnt want her studying other religions.

I think the day I can just put British on a job application and not "white, hetrosexual" (why does this matter?) and the day in the US there is no terms such as African American just "American" can we truly try end discrimination in our societies.

It is wonderful to be able to celebrate heritage and peoples different cultures and religious beliefs - but I think as a race humans are not evolved enough yet to realise we're ultimately all the same and that the only divide is that of those who are born/live in privilege and the rest of us who live in the "real world" as I call it!

You could have kept that to a "No".

Now that you've accepted that not "All Lives" are equal when it comes to racial discrimination, I hope you can agree that Black Lives Matter.

P.S. In vast swathes of the World outside of the UK you will also benefit from white privilege.

 

[peteblue]

what, insult me and then ask me to cut you some slack, sure Pete.
Are you not busy reveling in the success of Johnson and Brexit?
Hows that digital border coming along. Wasn't the EU supposed to be a singles state super military by now?
bore off...

How would you have responded to your previous post ......

 

[LinekersLegs]

RIP

 

[Ruairi77]

*Deep Breath*

50 years is an abitrary figure I pulled out of the air. I tried to balance it being in "Living memory" with the time needed for communities to rebuild, resructure and pay to erect them. I hope that clarifies it. I am specifically referring to communities remembering their dead. The cause doesn't lessen the loss of a father, husband, brother or son.

As to the Nazi thing, I am specifically talking about people who died in the service in their own communities or the place they fell. If I go over to West Flanders, the cemetaries for the Germans in WW1 are as well tended as for the allies. They aren't revered or loved like the allied ones, but they are respected as young men who laid down their lives in the service of something they didn't understand and had no choice over. A lot of members of the Wehrmacht were the same.

Finally, and perhaps even more controversially than that, Prince Philip may be a deeply unpleasant man but he was not a Nazi sympathiser. He served the royal navy with distinction and courage in WW2.

I don't think anyone has a problem with honoring the dead of war. The problem is glorifying the army they fought for, the people who led them, and what they stood for. Nobody would have a problem with a list of names or a field of graves but a general triumphantly riding in to battle, not so much.
I'd actually say I'm pro honoring the soldiers who fell on both sides of the civil war but not the confederate leaders who sent them to their deaths.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

You could have kept that to a "No".

Now that you've accepted that not "All Lives" are equal when it comes to racial discrimination, I hope you can agree that Black Lives Matter.

P.S. In vast swathes of the World outside of the UK you will also benefit from white privilege.

I don't get why you are so passive aggressive tbh - not everyone has the same beliefs as you.

Its a big big world of opinions out there Hic.

 

[Tubey]

Shout out to anyone on here who replies "All Lives Matter."

"All Lives" don't suffer racial discrimination like "Black Lives" do.

"All Lives Matter" was created as a direct response to "Black Lives Matter", in order to suppress the recognition of the racial inequality that exists.

If you say "All Lives Matter" within this debate about "Black Lives" and the ongoing racial discrimination they suffer, then I consider you to be ignorant or racist (or maybe both).

Black Lives Matter. Up the equality Toffees.

I think there's a considerable middle ground who simply don't get it and think it's a bad slogan.

I know many people who aren't racist who logically responded at first with "well of course they do, all lives do". It doesn't mean they're ignorant or racist - it's a failure on the part of the slogan that it engenders that initial response.

That said, obviously that response has been adopted by racists to demean the whole movement, so its' a moot point now. But just in terms of pure linguistic logic it's a poor slogan.

 

[RAFUH]

*Deep Breath*

50 years is an abitrary figure I pulled out of the air. I tried to balance it being in "Living memory" with the time needed for communities to rebuild, resructure and pay to erect them. I hope that clarifies it. I am specifically referring to communities remembering their dead. The cause doesn't lessen the loss of a father, husband, brother or son.

As to the Nazi thing, I am specifically talking about people who died in the service in their own communities or the place they fell. If I go over to West Flanders, the cemetaries for the Germans in WW1 are as well tended as for the allies. They aren't revered or loved like the allied ones, but they are respected as young men who laid down their lives in the service of something they didn't understand and had no choice over. A lot of members of the Wehrmacht were the same.

Finally, and perhaps even more controversially than that, Prince Philip may be a deeply unpleasant man but he was not a Nazi sympathiser. He served the royal navy with distinction and courage in WW2.

We have well cared for confederate cemeteries and Civil War battle grounds from that time period turned into historic sites.

These monuments are not historic to the war. They were post war intimidation - often placed in front of government buildings especially court houses. These people wanted to not be part of the US, why on earth should we celebrate them.



Finally ...it was a joke. I know nothing of Philip's proclivities with regards to Nazis, but it is a commonly brought up GOT theme.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

I don't think anyone has a problem with honoring the dead of war. The problem is glorifying the army they fought for, the people who led them, and what they stood for. Nobody would have a problem with a list of names or a field of graves but a general triumphantly riding in to battle, not so much.
I'd actually say I'm pro honoring the soldiers who fell on both sides of the civil war but not the confederate leaders who sent them to their deaths.

I agree completely.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

We have well cared for confederate cemeteries and Civil War battle grounds from that time period turned into historic sites.

These monuments are not historic to the war. They were post war intimidation - often placed in front of government buildings especially court houses. These people wanted to not be part of the US, why on earth should we celebrate them.



Finally ...it was a joke. I know nothing of Philip's proclivities with regards to Nazis, but it is a commonly brought up GOT theme.

Yeah, sorry, I studied history and am a bit of a stickler for that stuff. Apologies.

I think we're agreeing on the confederate thing.

 

[RAFUH]

Exactly. This is the type of thing that people like to pretend they don’t understand, and that you can’t say or do anything anymore, but it’s rubbish.

The ok sign is used without problem all the time, because the context is clear.

When it’s used by a certain, now banned, poster, in this particular thread, after a day of trying to undermine the BLM cause, the context is also clear there.

I gave him benefit of doubt because I didn't think that the racist aspect of the sign was well know in the UK - so lack of cultural context. Other mods set me straight.

 

[Death]

 

[Tubey]

We have well cared for confederate cemeteries and Civil War battle grounds from that time period turned into historic sites.

These monuments are not historic to the war. They were post war intimidation - often placed in front of government buildings especially court houses. These people wanted to not be part of the US, why on earth should we celebrate them.



Finally ...it was a joke. I know nothing of Philip's proclivities with regards to Nazis, but it is a commonly brought up GOT theme.

Isn't there an argument to be made to highlight that as the reason for their existence and therefore educate new generations as to the bigotry that brought them about?

Instead of destroying them and pretending it never happened?

A statue only celebrates something if you let it. It's the same as the Rhodes statue debate - yes the guy was deeply ingrained in slavery, but that statue was and is a monument to that too and allows our culture now to understand how people like that came to be successful.

Too often with the younger generation it feels to me people don't want to be challenged and want safe spaces where the world exists in simple terms.