Current Affairs George Floyd and Minneapolis Unrest

[Pettifogger]

he knew what he was doing, he wasn't scuba diving

Ehhhh the echoes on the other site were pretty telling

 

[Tony101]

Black Lives Matter because what goes without saying is that it's obvious that white lives matter.

So there's no need for All Lives Matter.

Get it?

Think about it as Black Lives (Also) Matter

Yeah fair enough am not from America so I can’t pretend to no what it’s like. Am from a council estate in Bootle. I have always just treated everyone the same I judge people on their personalities if there sound then they are sound no matter what race or religion they are. Anyway am not going to comment on this thread no more if you don’t no what you on about best to just keep out of it. The sooner we see a world where we are all treated the same can’t come quick enough.

 

[mill]

Why must people continue to label and divide people? Im a big believer of how can we end racism and discrimination in general when we still continue to divide each other based on colour/religion/sexual orientation etc.

ALL LIVES MATTER

Sooner we all come together and end this petty "I identify as this" the better for humanity.

Because we should celebrate difference and accept them. Not ignore them.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Thats the point...yes all lives matter, but its an acknowlegement that black people are more actively discriminated against than white people...you ever faced discrimination because of the colour of your skin?

But the point is if everyone was just "American" and not "African American" "latino American" "Italian American" "white American" you help prevent the tribalism that racism grows from.

Right now somewhere in the world you'll have a white person who hates blacks, a black person who hates gays, a latino who hates whites, a muslim who hates transgender people and all this goes on because instead of coming together and accepting everyone for who they are we continue to live in tribalism.

Its why I never get the buzz about pride festivals in the UK - I fully get the reason why they started but in the year 2020 surely we should stop actively trying to "identify and group" ourselves by what gender we like to frolic with?

Its like football tribalism - we're Evertonians therefore naturally we hate liverpool fans even though some LFC fans may be sound - yet when we are all England fans in the world cup we no longer hate one another because we are united temporarily as England fans not Everton/Liverpool.

Until society gets to the point where you no longer identify yourself based on your colour/sexual orientation/religion stuff like this will never end - folk will just protest for a few weeks then its back to normal until the next person is murdered by a cop and the cycle never ends.

 

[Ruairi77]

Why must people continue to label and divide people? Im a big believer of how can we end racism and discrimination in general when we still continue to divide each other based on colour/religion/sexual orientation etc.

ALL LIVES MATTER

Sooner we all come together and end this petty "I identify as this" the better for humanity.

it's a clunky analogy but would you go up to someone at a breast cancer awareness march and tell them all cancers matter?

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

But the point is if everyone was just "American" and not "African American" "latino American" "Italian American" "white American" you help prevent the tribalism that racism grows from.

Right now somewhere in the world you'll have a white person who hates blacks, a black person who hates gays, a latino who hates whites, a muslim who hates transgender people and all this goes on because instead of coming together and accepting everyone for who they are we continue to live in tribalism.

Its why I never get the buzz about pride festivals in the UK - I fully get the reason why they started but in the year 2020 surely we should stop actively trying to "identify and group" ourselves by what gender we like to frolic with?

Its like football tribalism - we're Evertonians therefore naturally we hate liverpool fans even though some LFC fans may be sound - yet when we are all England fans in the world cup we no longer hate one another because we are united temporarily as England fans not Everton/Liverpool.

Until society gets to the point where you no longer identify yourself based on your colour/sexual orientation/religion stuff like this will never end - folk will just protest for a few weeks then its back to normal until the next person is murdered by a cop and the cycle never ends.

Until society gets to the point where all minorities, of any kind, are treated with the same respect as those of the majority, stuff like this will never end, to use your words

 

[Yarrgh]

Just to be clear antifa is , and I’m presuming now , short for ‘anti-fascist ‘ right ? So Is this now a bad thing ? Should I no longer be opposed to fascism , I know historically the UK was quite proud of the whole anti-fascist attitude . Have I missed a memo ?

I know I have! Antifa seem to be vilified and it isn't clear if it's mudslinging or justified. Murky waters.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

But as, I assume a white male, you never really have to be aware of you identity as our indentity never really affects us.

I dont have an identity mate - im a bloke who grew up in Liverpool and had a very poor upbringing - no white privilege (whats white privilege to the average northern person on universal credit in the UK for example!) Im just a human mate and feel like as soon as the slates wiped clean and people grow up and stop dividing people into categories regardless of if its in an attempt to celebrate heritage/differences etc. then things like this will keep happening because you have groups formed and tribalism grows from groupings look at football as the perfect example of that.

 

[Ruairi77]

But the point is if everyone was just "American" and not "African American" "latino American" "Italian American" "white American" you help prevent the tribalism that racism grows from.

Right now somewhere in the world you'll have a white person who hates blacks, a black person who hates gays, a latino who hates whites, a muslim who hates transgender people and all this goes on because instead of coming together and accepting everyone for who they are we continue to live in tribalism.

Its why I never get the buzz about pride festivals in the UK - I fully get the reason why they started but in the year 2020 surely we should stop actively trying to "identify and group" ourselves by what gender we like to frolic with?

Its like football tribalism - we're Evertonians therefore naturally we hate liverpool fans even though some LFC fans may be sound - yet when we are all England fans in the world cup we no longer hate one another because we are united temporarily as England fans not Everton/Liverpool.

Until society gets to the point where you no longer identify yourself based on your colour/sexual orientation/religion stuff like this will never end - folk will just protest for a few weeks then its back to normal until the next person is murdered by a cop and the cycle never ends.

America is a melting pot, for the most part a country made up of immigrants.
In order to keep the peace and for the whole thing to work, patriotism and nationalism are pushed hard.
This leads to the idea of American exceptionalism.
The only way to stop this patriotism from taking over is for people to have an identity through their heritage.
It makes everyone different but the same, at least that seems to be the idea.
There is religious and cultural freedom and it's very important that that's encouraged in order to keep the country from imploding.
It makes for a very precarious balancing act and at moments like this it looks dangerously unstable.
But it's times like this with the president that we have, that it all comes to the boil and all the other heritages have to stand up for the one that's getting trod on (literally).
My son will be an Irish American and that group have more than their fair share of absolute morons (half of them seem to be in the white house) but it's very important to me that he keeps his Irish identity. Almost as important as him supporting Everton!

 

[SerenityNigh]

Yeah fair enough am not from America so I can’t pretend to no what it’s like. Am from a council estate in Bootle. I have always just treated everyone the same I judge people on their personalities if there sound then they are sound no matter what race or religion they are. Anyway am not going to comment on this thread no more if you don’t no what you on about best to just keep out of it. The sooner we see a world where we are all treated the same can’t come quick enough.

An important part of the process is being part of that change. Simply recognizing that change needs to occur isn’t enough—the evidence for that seems self evident, but its worth reiterating that society doesn’t make good changes “on its own” but requires significant input from individuals.

Helping to make the change is different for everyone—you can’t have the same impact as your average Yank, for instance—but presuming this doesn’t matter or that you can’t be part of the solution *is actually part of the problem.*

 

[SerenityNigh]

I dont have an identity mate - im a bloke who grew up in Liverpool and had a very poor upbringing - no white privilege (whats white privilege to the average northern person on universal credit in the UK for example!) Im just a human mate and feel like as soon as the slates wiped clean and people grow up and stop dividing people into categories regardless of if its in an attempt to celebrate heritage/differences etc. then things like this will keep happening because you have groups formed and tribalism grows from groupings look at football as the perfect example of that.

Of course you have an identity

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

I dont have an identity mate - im a bloke who grew up in Liverpool and had a very poor upbringing - no white privilege (whats white privilege to the average northern person on universal credit in the UK for example!) Im just a human mate and feel like as soon as the slates wiped clean and people grow up and stop dividing people into categories regardless of if its in an attempt to celebrate heritage/differences etc. then things like this will keep happening because you have groups formed and tribalism grows from groupings look at football as the perfect example of that.

I'm sure African Americans will be happy to wipe the slate clean, forgive and forget when they all get the 40 acres and a mule they were promised when slavery was abolished instead of, say, being made second class citizens unable to access the same services as their white neighbours whilst the law turned a blind eye to them being strung up for looking at white women.

Why should they just forget that? It has a huge impact on the culture and socio economic conditions that their communities live in and these injustices have never been sufficiently addressed.

 

[trueblue84]

I dont have an identity mate - im a bloke who grew up in Liverpool and had a very poor upbringing - no white privilege (whats white privilege to the average northern person on universal credit in the UK for example!) Im just a human mate and feel like as soon as the slates wiped clean and people grow up and stop dividing people into categories regardless of if its in an attempt to celebrate heritage/differences etc. then things like this will keep happening because you have groups formed and tribalism grows from groupings look at football as the perfect example of that.

Agree with this. Could never get my head around people touting Obama vs Clinton as first black vs first female president. Why not just the best person for the job? The fact that Obama was referred to as that suggests we still have a long way to go.

 

[Tony101]

An important part of the process is being part of that change. Simply recognizing that change needs to occur isn’t enough—the evidence for that seems self evident, but its worth reiterating that society doesn’t make good changes “on its own” but requires significant input from individuals.

Helping to make the change is different for everyone—you can’t have the same impact as your average Yank, for instance—but presuming this doesn’t matter or that you can’t be part of the solution *is actually part of the problem.*

I wouldn’t say I was part of the problem. I treat everyone for who they are as a person on there own merit couldn’t care less about race religion sexuality. I will continue treating everyone the same.