Current Affairs George Floyd and Minneapolis Unrest

[TheBigEasy]

I also would like to see receipts, but I want to make sure you don't miss again the most obvious point--this data you reference confirms what you are attempting to deny, that police violence against black persons occurs at a disproportionately high rate.

Just in case the math/s is hard:

US white population ~ 72 %
US black population ~ 12 %

Ratio of white : black people in US
6 : 1

If police violence occurs at the same rate, white persons killed by police would be 6x that of black persons. If the ratio is significantly higher than 6:1 then there is a bias towards killing more white persons (a police bias against white persons); if the ratio is significantly lower than 6:1 then there is a bias towards killing more black persons (a police bias against black persons).

So the evidence that you provided confirms a police bias against black persons that is 3x higher than the bias against white persons.

That's fair enough, but you can put it another way, 53% of murders and violent crimes in the US committed by African Americans, so if they only make up 12% of the population, what's the ratio on that.

Race and crime in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

White on white murders in the USA - 87%
Black on black - 93%

Anyway you look at this it's all terrible and I'm not taking any sides it's a tradegy if 1 life is lost, all I'm saying is why does it have to be about race and not police brutality?

 

[TheBigEasy]

ooof, could take ages to answer this question.
Basically Black people have always been treated as 'lesser' in this country. They still are. It doesn't take long to figure that out when you move here.
They are at a disadvantage in every aspect of life. The system is intentionally rigged against them.
The officer leaning on Floyd's neck was very symbolic of how the whole country has it's boot on the neck of African Americans.
To say 'all lives matters' is very disrespectful and dismissive of their cause.
It's compounded by the fact that it's only ever used by whites i.e. the ones who cause the problem.
The march against the police has been made up of all races but the message is very specific and very important.
If we can right our wrongs and some how ensure equal treatment among races, any number of other problems will be solved so in a sense, they are marches on all fronts against police brutality, being met with police brutality.

Ok fair response mate.

 

[verreauxi]

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2024| Statista

The trend of fatal police shootings in the U.S. seems to only be increasing each year, with Black civilians having the highest rates of being killed by police.

www.statista.com

^^^^The above is what happens when you have a German-based company using market/opinion data to produce colorful graphics in a for-profit setting. Let's conveniently ignore all context in the above chart, including that George Floyd (and Eric Garner and many others) were choked, not shot. They also have produced a laughably bad analysis of BLM based on--cough cough--twitter responses, and then showcased this in a bar chart.

 

[TheBigEasy]

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2024| Statista

The trend of fatal police shootings in the U.S. seems to only be increasing each year, with Black civilians having the highest rates of being killed by police.

www.statista.com

^^^^The above is what happens when you have a German-based company using market/opinion data to produce colorful graphics in a for-profit setting. Let's conveniently ignore all context in the above chart, including that George Floyd (and Eric Garner and many others) were choked, not shot. They also have produced a laughably bad analysis of BLM based on--cough cough--twitter responses, and then showcased this in a bar chart.

Can you please send me a viable one then?

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

That's fair enough, but you can put it another way, 53% of murders and violent crimes in the US committed by African Americans, so if they only make up 12% of the population, what's the ratio on that.

Race and crime in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

White on white murders in the USA - 87%
Black on black - 93%

Anyway you look at this it's all terrible and I'm not taking any sides it's a tradegy if 1 life is lost, all I'm saying is why does it have to be about race and not police brutality?

Mate, I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend you're not on a WUM or a multi. Please read the last 50 pages of this thread, and if you still have questions, get back to us

 

[SerenityNigh]

That's fair enough, but you can put it another way, 53% of murders and violent crimes in the US committed by African Americans, so if they only make up 12% of the population, what's the ratio on that.

Race and crime in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

White on white murders in the USA - 87%
Black on black - 93%

Anyway you look at this it's all terrible and I'm not taking any sides it's a tradegy if 1 life is lost, all I'm saying is why does it have to be about race and not police brutality?

If you want to talk about crime in the US, let's do this, but the topic is disproportionate police brutality against black persons in the US. Don't skip town on the topic by conflating other events. Follow me here and tell me if you concur:

1. Police violence against black persons is disproportionately high
2. US government sanctioned violence against black persons is a *hundreds years old phenomemon*
3. US government sanctioned violence against black persons, while allegedly improved from years ago, has not gone away

Don't avoid the topic by conflating other issues and absolving your responsibility as a citizen to engage in a thoughtful and useful way.

 

[verreauxi]

Can you please send me a viable one then?

Your first post on this thread was on page 84. Maybe go back and do a little reading. Plenty of illuminating stuff for people on both the left and right.

 

[TheBigEasy]

Mate, I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend you're not on a WUM or a multi. Please read the last 50 pages of this thread, and if you still have questions, get back to us

What's a WUM?

 

[TheBigEasy]

Your first post on this thread was on page 84. Maybe go back and do a little reading. Plenty of illuminating stuff for people on both the left and right.

I'll be honest I'm not going to read through 84 pages.

 

[TheBigEasy]

If you want to talk about crime in the US, let's do this, but the topic is disproportionate police brutality against black persons in the US. Don't skip town on the topic by conflating other events. Follow me here and tell me if you concur:

1. Police violence against black persons is disproportionately high
2. US government sanctioned violence against black persons is a *hundreds years old phenomemon*
3. US government sanctioned violence against black persons, while allegedly improved from years ago, has not gone away

Don't avoid the topic by conflating other issues and absolving your responsibility as a citizen to engage in a thoughtful and useful way.

I'm not avoiding anything but surely all factors have to be considered. And the ratio of violent crimes committed can not be emmited from this equation.

 

[SerenityNigh]

I'll be honest I'm not going to read through 84 pages.

You're not going too like books then

 

[verreauxi]

I'll be honest I'm not going to read through 84 pages.

PNAS

Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), a peer reviewed journal of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) - an authoritative source of high-impact, original research that broadly spans the biological, physical, and social sciences.

www.pnas.org

 

[Jebus_lives]

This is with him, is he genuinely a racist etc or is he doing it to fit in with a community?

Everything he said was just a sound bite and often made little sense. Im not sure he fully understood what he was on about.

Racist mate.

 

[LostLegend]

What's wrong with that seriously, do they not?

Like the bloody Hydra in here

It isn't difficult ffs.

 

[SerenityNigh]

I'm not avoiding anything but surely all factors have to be considered. And the ratio of violent crimes committed can not be emmited from this equation.

Does violent crimes include slavery?
Rapes?
Lynching men on false accusations?
Firebombing churches?
Preventing men and women from voting based on the color of their skin?
Preventing people access to houses and loans because such were explicitly prohibited *by US law*?

Or are these not violent crimes?