Current Affairs George Floyd and Minneapolis Unrest

[Old Blue 2]

Another side of what's going on...

 

[Blue 1]

Another side of what's going on...

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Cool story. Needs more dragons.

 

[LinekersLegs]

This is where honest debate breaks down. Impunity? The cops are in jail and cities are on fire. You can claim "but for the camera" and that's valid.

It's simply a double standard. If Fox News shows a video of a white couple defending a store being beaten to a pulp by black rioters, it'll be "that's sensationalism." But murder porn (as Killer Mike in my city called it) isn't?

Only one of the cops involved in George Floyd’s death is in jail and even the one that currently is we don’t know if he will be convicted.

The only cop that I can recall that are currently in jail with a conviction for killing an African American is Botham Jean’s shooter who wasn’t on duty at the time she walked into his apartment.

 

[Pettifogger]

Only one of the cops involved in George Floyd’s death is in jail and even the one that currently is we don’t know if he will be convicted.

The only cop that I can recall that are currently in jail for killing African Americans is Botham Jean’ shooter who wasn’t on duty at the time she walked into his apartment.

Ok, but this statistic/point is contextless without pointing at the scenarios where someone should be in jail and isn't.

 

[mill]

Lived experience of white people = hateful, irrelevant?

I read something quite recently that made me consider white privilege and racism and it made me think about my own ‘lived’ experience. It was a set of questions and it made me realise just how insidious the issue is. Most people think of racism at the individual level, at the name calling, mean, horrible level but it’s much more than that. This isn’t comprehensive. It’s just designed to make people realise the factors that they don’t even need to be aware of that people of colour do

I can arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed
or harassed.

I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my
race widely represented.

When I am told about our national heritage or about civilization, I am shown that people
of my color made it what it is.

I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the
existence of their race.

I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the food I grew up with, into a hairdressers shop and find someone who can deal with my hair.

Whether I use checks, credit cards, or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial responsibility.

I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing, or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.

I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.

I can take a job or enroll in a college with an affirmative action policy without having my
co-workers or peers assume I got it because of my race.

I can choose public accommodation with out fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated

I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.

I am never asked to speak for all of the people of my racial group.

I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk with the person in charge I will be facing a person of my race.

If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I havent been singled out because of my race.

I can easily by posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, and childrens magazines featuring people of my race.

I can choose blemish cover or bandages in flesh color and have them more or less match my skin.

I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

I can walk into a classroom and know I will not be the only member of my race.

I can enroll in a class at college and be sure that the majority of my professors will be of
my race.


so when people talk about the white experience now, and when people like me (white, able bodied, heterosexual, males) talk about being marginalised I try to think of just how easy my life is. And how I don’t have to *think* about things that other people who do not look me have to actually deal with on a daily basis.

it’s ALL because of institutional racism and hundreds of years of oppression.

 

[verreauxi]

I'm glad you posted that. I've already said I don't think it's biological, but cultural. I was drawing correlations and there are correlations between crime and poverty, there is no doubt about that.

Ironically, According to talkpoverty.org, the state where George Floyd was murdered (Minneapolis) ranks number 1 in poverty rate in the entire United States.

The poverty rate doesn't truly reflect the crime statistics. But correlations can be drawn.

38.1 million Americans live in poverty (11.8% of population)
8.9 million Black Americans live in poverty (20.8% of black population)
10.5 million Hispanics live in poverty (10.5% of histpanic population)
15.7 million White Americans live in poverty (8.1% of white population)


If poverty was blamed alone, then White Americans and Hispanics would be represented far more in serious crimes, murders, etc.

So there are other factors at play.

A huge factor in poverty that get's ignored are single-parent households for example.

according to: actrochester.org
66% of Black households are single parent
41% are Hispanic
33% are White

Interestingly, East Asians are the most succesful demographic group in America, only 20% of their households are single parent.

Other major factors are the legacy of slavery, the legacy of Jim Crow laws, stereotype threat, redlining, and liquorlining. This leads to something called cumulative disadvantage (this is not a phrase, but a body of theory), which both leads to more crime as well as more harsh sentencing, as well as reduced health and reduced opportunities for loans/upward mobility, etc.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Ok, but this statistic/point is contextless without pointing at the scenarios where someone should be in jail and isn't.

Philippe Castile for a start.

But my reply was mainly to point out that your “cops in jail” was a gross exaggeration.

 

[verreauxi]

I read something quite recently that made me consider white privilege and racism and it made me think about my own ‘lived’ experience. It was a set of questions and it made me realise just how insidious the issue is. Most people think of racism at the individual level, at the name calling, mean, horrible level but it’s much more than that. This isn’t comprehensive. It’s just designed to make people realise the factors that they don’t even need to be aware of that people of colour do

I can arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed
or harassed.

I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my
race widely represented.

When I am told about our national heritage or about civilization, I am shown that people
of my color made it what it is.

I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the
existence of their race.

I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the food I grew up with, into a hairdressers shop and find someone who can deal with my hair.

Whether I use checks, credit cards, or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial responsibility.

I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing, or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.

I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.

I can take a job or enroll in a college with an affirmative action policy without having my
co-workers or peers assume I got it because of my race.

I can choose public accommodation with out fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated

I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.

I am never asked to speak for all of the people of my racial group.

I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk with the person in charge I will be facing a person of my race.

If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I havent been singled out because of my race.

I can easily by posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, and childrens magazines featuring people of my race.

I can choose blemish cover or bandages in flesh color and have them more or less match my skin.

I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

I can walk into a classroom and know I will not be the only member of my race.

I can enroll in a class at college and be sure that the majority of my professors will be of
my race.


so when people talk about the white experience now, and when people like me (white, able bodied, heterosexual, males) talk about being marginalised I try to think of just how easy my life is. And how I don’t have to *think* about things that other people who do not look me have to actually deal with on a daily basis.

it’s ALL because institutional racism and hundreds of years of oppression.

This is a classic study in white privilege by Peggy Macintosh, and the questions are quite illuminating. I grew up in a very white suburb and these questions all apply.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Another side of what's going on...

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These guys are heroes. Well done for fighting off the anti fascist thugs!

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I read something quite recently that made me consider white privilege and racism and it made me think about my own ‘lived’ experience. It was a set of questions and it made me realise just how insidious the issue is. Most people think of racism at the individual level, at the name calling, mean, horrible level but it’s much more than that. This isn’t comprehensive. It’s just designed to make people realise the factors that they don’t even need to be aware of that people of colour do

I can arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed
or harassed.

I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my
race widely represented.

When I am told about our national heritage or about civilization, I am shown that people
of my color made it what it is.

I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the
existence of their race.

I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the food I grew up with, into a hairdressers shop and find someone who can deal with my hair.

Whether I use checks, credit cards, or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial responsibility.

I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing, or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.

I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.

I can take a job or enroll in a college with an affirmative action policy without having my
co-workers or peers assume I got it because of my race.

I can choose public accommodation with out fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated

I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.

I am never asked to speak for all of the people of my racial group.

I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk with the person in charge I will be facing a person of my race.

If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I havent been singled out because of my race.

I can easily by posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, and childrens magazines featuring people of my race.

I can choose blemish cover or bandages in flesh color and have them more or less match my skin.

I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

I can walk into a classroom and know I will not be the only member of my race.

I can enroll in a class at college and be sure that the majority of my professors will be of
my race.


so when people talk about the white experience now, and when people like me (white, able bodied, heterosexual, males) talk about being marginalised I try to think of just how easy my life is. And how I don’t have to *think* about things that other people who do not look me have to actually deal with on a daily basis.

it’s ALL because of institutional racism and hundreds of years of oppression.

100% all of this.

All of this is something I once took for granted.

The least I can do is recognize it and try to understand the points of view of those who are not white.

 

[mill]

This is a classic study in white privilege by Peggy Macintosh, and the questions are quite illuminating. I grew up in a very white suburb and these questions all apply.

Yes!

I read it referenced in a different book (called ‘white supremacy and me’ by Layla Saad) but it is from that study.

 

[verreauxi]

But mommy I'm destroying capitalism!

So again, no evidence of antifa, instead we have noted alt-right troll Posobiec posting an "alleged" action. This is exactly what I expect of you, which is to say not much.

I have now provided 3 "citations" for the far right involvement in the riots, as you asked. In response, you have provided emojis, links to #antifa twitter videos that provide zero evidence of antifa involvement, and a thin-skinned adolescent "I'm telling mom!" tattle-tale response to a mod because I called your racist post racist. If you're unclear as to why your post was racist, go back in time to 1927 and ask an Italian immigrant who was rioting against the Sacco/Vanzetti verdict if they are in the mafia.

 

[RAFUH]

See this is where you take it to the extreme. No one is saying it's ALL systemic racism. But to ignore it as a major contributing factor is naive and intellectually dishonest.

Are there "bad" black guys? Yes. Just like there are "bad" white people. The problem is that it's far more likely that a "good" black person will be lumped into the "bad" category, simply because they are black, then the other way around. I'm sorry if you don't see this. But as I've lived more and more life on this earth, it's something that I cannot ignore. As someone that grew up in a predominantly lower middle class small town surrounded by white people, this isn't something that was apparent to me growing up.

That's the whole point of all of what's happening right now

Additionally all the crime statistics are skewed.

Black men and black neighborhoods are policed more - just look at NYC stop and frisk as one example. It disproportionately targeted black men. That increases the black crime rate because petty things will be found. Same with being pulled over, walking in a neighborhood, etc.

There is also a lot of data that black men are more likely to be arrested, charged, found guilt, and given more harsh sentences when compared to white men in similar circumstances.

 

[Chewbacca]

These guys are virgins Well turn for fighting off the anti fascist thugs!

 

[RAFUH]

Only one of the cops involved in George Floyd’s death is in jail and even the one that currently is we don’t know if he will be convicted.

The only cop that I can recall that are currently in jail with a conviction for killing an African American is Botham Jean’s shooter who wasn’t on duty at the time she walked into his apartment.

There's the black police officer that shot a white woman. He's was tried and convicted of murder.

Wait...seems like there's something about this story that is different