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It is staggering really and really hard for those of us who don’t have armed police as standard to understand.....
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It is staggering really and really hard for those of us who don’t have armed police as standard to understand.....
It's hard for most of us born here and lived here all of our lives to understand, too.
Newark cops, with reform, didn’t fire a single shot in 2020 | Moran
It's not about de-funding police. The task is to teach cops to do better, and watch them to make sure.
Now, the model is to calm things down, engage the threatening person, while creating distance or taking cover, and buying time until reinforcements arrive, he says. Newark officers view videos presenting challenging scenarios, offer responses, then discuss it with supervisors.
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Training is critical, too, especially on de-escalating violence. Brian O’Hara, the deputy chief overseeing training, said the old-fashioned version was to show officers how to win a confrontation, when to make the move. “It was a paramilitary kind of training, just focused on stopping the threat,” he said.Newark cops, with reform, didn’t fire a single shot in 2020 | Moran
It's not about de-funding police. The task is to teach cops to do better, and watch them to make sure.www.nj.com
Now, the model is to calm things down, engage the threatening person, while creating distance or taking cover, and buying time until reinforcements arrive, he says. Newark officers view videos presenting challenging scenarios, offer responses, then discuss it with supervisors.
Isn't there a lot less guns in New Jersey and New York? Difficult to see those strategies working in Chicago for example.
NJ does have pretty tough gun laws but still quite a lot of guns around (although obviously hard to know the difference in unregistered guns). Illinois has fairly tough gun laws but the issue is often out of state guns being brought in.
U.S. number of registered weapons by state 2024| Statista
Texas was the state with the highest number of registered weapons in the United States in 2024, with 1,136,732 firearms.
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Their police did have a pretty bad reputation for being corrupt/brutal and as for crime in the state it wasn’t an accident that the Sopranos was based in New Jersey.
DeCavalcante crime family - Wikipedia
Training is critical, too, especially on de-escalating violence. Brian O’Hara, the deputy chief overseeing training, said the old-fashioned version was to show officers how to win a confrontation, when to make the move. “It was a paramilitary kind of training, just focused on stopping the threat,” he said.Newark cops, with reform, didn’t fire a single shot in 2020 | Moran
It's not about de-funding police. The task is to teach cops to do better, and watch them to make sure.
Now, the model is to calm things down, engage the threatening person, while creating distance or taking cover, and buying time until reinforcements arrive, he says. Newark officers view videos presenting challenging scenarios, offer responses, then discuss it with supervisors.
A little bit of research suggests that it's the thirtieth state in terms of registered firearms, which is pretty low considering it's the forth most populated state.
So there may be some element to the discussion in terms of the absolute number of available firearms, but I think it'd be unfair to ignore @LinekersLegs's point.
A combination of professional training/development, expected standards and mentality (all three intertwine) are in my humble opinion the real crux of the matter.
Now I know America, compared to other first world nations, is in many ways unique in terms of gun culture and proficiency for violence.
As a result, policing it will be itself different due to the culture and risks, but from what I see the threshold to draw a weapon is far too low, let alone use it.
Like it suggests in the article, it's less about policing through consent but rather more akin to a paramilitary regime: bigger, harder and firmer responses to threats.
As I've said in the past, the bigger issue within the US is the readiness and willingness to draw their firearm rather than the practicalities of how they use it.
If it's out from the outset, you're more likely to use it, while reducing the probability of attempting to calm the situation through negotiation - simple.
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I was thinking more about city's with gang problems and how it would be difficult to use non violent measures in some of those scenarios. You have definitely made good valid points about how quickly a gun is raised/used by police. I agree with what you are saying.
It'll definitely be a more challenging objective in such cities and I'd suggest it would take longer to reach the desired goal, but any reduction would be great.
Nevertheless, as Legs said Newark isn't some perfect city: it was very dangerous in the 80s and 90s and homicide crime rates still appear to be fairly high.
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Isn't this what policing is?
The evidence would point to it not being a universal approach here in the US
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Yeah I get that. It just seems weird reading it being presented as a new concept on policing.
I suppose by comparison to the US (and many other countries too) we're quite lucky here in the UK. Mind you, I'm sure our firearms policy/culture helps.
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Who need guns, when you've got taser and a good few boots to the head...
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Dalian Atkinson murder trial: Ex-footballer Tasered and 'kicked'
Dalian Atkinson was Tasered for six times longer than standard by PC Benjamin Monk, a court is told.
www.bbc.co.uk
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