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Must call a spade a spade.

Just like Trump and his cronies may have one good idea out of 20, it's the way in which he communicates and his lack of presidentialism that ultimately proves his "unfitness" for president.

So it is with Warren. She may have 20 good ideas, but her continued calling herself native american just isn't true. Or at least not true in the way she originally meant it. Even if just optically. It hurts her message. To many, it excuses people for hating "the libs" so much because "they are just like Trump and the lying GOP."

We need to be better than this.

She said she grew up with her parents telling her she had native heritage.
She said she ticked the box on the form at harvard.
She (and harvard) said this had no effect on awarding the job.
She had a DNA test to show she has native blood
She said she wasn't a member of a tribe.
Yes, one can question her intention when she filled in that form on a job application a generation ago. I see it as a poor judgement call on her part and something she's been pretty transparent about since.

Given her service to Massachusetts over the last 6 years and her service to the country, setting up the CFPB etc, as well as her excellent policies, I think she deserves a chance. To get hung up on the 'Pocahontas' stuff is to fall foul of GOP distractions.

It's the 'but her emails' of 2018
 
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She said she grew up with her parents telling her she had native heritage.
She said she ticked the box on the form at harvard.
She (and harvard) said this had no effect on awarding the job.
She had a DNA test to show she has native blood
She said she wasn't a member of a tribe.

wow, it's surely a massive significant topic for her, isn't it?

What percentage native american did she turn out to be?
 
wow, it's surely a massive significant topic for her, isn't it?

What percentage native american did she turn out to be?

More so than the average american, which is why she can claim it, and I can't. But I still think it was silly of her to claim "Native American" when she was younger, and it will come back to haunt her politically in the next year.
 
Enough! Enough! For months, the so-called liberal elite has been writing articles, having radio and TV discussions, giving sermons (literally) and making speeches in which it has struggled to understand those strange creatures: ordinary people.

Ah! There is a clue. That word ‘educated’. What does ‘educated’ mean today? It doesn’t mean they know a lot about the world. It means they have been injected with the views and assumptions of their teachers. They have been taught by people who themselves have little experience of the real world. They have been indoctrinated with certain ideas. Here are some key ones.

They think that because they studied English literature at Durham they understand the world better than a plumber in Croydon.


The above paragraphs are full of strawmen. There are no data showing that educators have "little experience of the real world" and it also leaves undefined "experience" and "real world." It also perpetuates the baffling logic that a plumber is more "ordinary" than a former university student (not to mention, it seems to presume plumbers don't go to Uni). There are no data suggesting that someone who studies English Lit would understand the world better than a plumber, and it is an untestable and silly statement to make anyways. But apparently a conservative London-based writer for the Spectator, who spends a lot of time traveling to Italy, and former banker has his finger on the pulse of the "ordinary people."

They have been taught that capitalism is inherently bad. It is something to be controlled at every turn by an altruistic government or else reduced to a minimum. Meanwhile the pursuit of equality is good. These are truly astonishing things for educated people to believe when the past 100 years have been a brutal lesson instructing us that the opposite is the case. The pursuit of equality brought the world terror and tens of millions of deaths along with terrible economic failure. In the past 30 years, by contrast, since China and India adopted more pro-capitalist policies, capitalism has caused the biggest reduction in poverty the world has ever known. You may know that, but it is not taught in schools. Schools actually teach that Stalin’s five-year plans were a qualified success! The academic world is overwhelmingly left-wing and the textbooks spin to the left. They distort the facts or omit them.

The five-year plan bit comes from a BBC website and nothing more. Bartholomew would be hard-pressed to point to any "liberal elite" teacher who would teach that Stalinism was a success, qualified or otherwise. He has no data that this is taught in schools, or if he does, he should say so. In fact, from the same BBC website that Bartholomew is referring to, he conveniently fails to note that the website also said, "Workers had to work very hard to meet targets. Managers and workers who failed to meet targets could be arrested and executed." This doesn't sound like a pro-five-year-plan speak. There are so many other problems with that paragraph, it is difficult to know where to begin, which I suspect is the point of the whole article--it's obfuscation by inundation of ill-formed whinges. Bartholomew is a casuist, nothing more.

I could go on and on, but it seems the general thrust of the whole essay is that schools--even primary schools and their "liberal elite" teachers--are indoctrination factories where no critical thinking is taught. This is not true and a quick look at any lesson plan or course assignments across any Western educational institution will show that critical thinking is encouraged. [Parenthetically, referring to a primary/secondary school teacher as a "liberal elite" is what one would expect from a conservative former banker--laughably out of touch.]

This entire article is full-on speciousness, but apparently I'm brainwashed (or "unwittingly defending" it) if I dare to criticize it.
 
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More so than the average american, which is why she can claim it, and I can't. But I still think it was silly of her to claim "Native American" when she was younger, and it will come back to haunt her politically in the next year.

No, she doesn't. And she wasn't just wrong to claim she is one, she was wrong to publicly 'prove' it. She was effectively feeding the troll.

I linked this earlier today, and of course the claims by Tucker here get rubbished by yous, because he's not on your side so it's brainwashingly impossible to admit he has a point...

...but, he has a point. Warren has ruined her good rep by allowing Trump to control her.

Donald Trump is frankly amazing. Not in the positive sense of something being outlandishly good, but in the sense of me being constantly amazed how he has half the world wrapped round his little finger:

 
Donald Trump is frankly amazing. Not in the positive sense of something being outlandishly good, but in the sense of me being constantly amazed how he has half the world wrapped round his little finger

He doesn't though.

All Trump represents is an all you can eat buffet for the media; the amount of articles, essays, in-depth studies, photoshoots, clicks and comment that man has generated - at very little / no cost and zero effort to the media outlets concerned - is astonishing and that is why coverage of him is so attractive to a media industry that is facing declining revenues in almost all parts of the sector. He controls the media in the same way that Madeleine McCann's parents did.
 
Yes, she does. I'm not sure where you are getting your information. As to her public claims, I agree, it was a silly political stunt that won't help her in the end.

it's hilarious and sad that you're pushing this.


All Trump represents is an all you can eat buffet for the media; the amount of articles, essays, in-depth studies, photoshoots, clicks and comment that man has generated - at very little / no cost and zero effort to the media outlets concerned - is astonishing and that is why coverage of him is so attractive to a media industry that is facing declining revenues in almost all parts of the sector. He controls the media in the same way that Madeleine McCann's parents did.

I agree with that, but I would give Trump himself more credit in inspiring this all-you-can-outrage buffet.
 
it's hilarious and sad that you're pushing this.
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What I’ve said is factually correct and you are not understanding this fact. I’m not “pushing” this. I am simply disputing your charge that she has no more Native American DNA than the average American. You are wrong about this, I’m sorry to say, even if you can’t admit it.
 
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What I’ve said is factually correct and you are not understanding this fact. I’m not “pushing” this. I am simply disputing your charge that she has no more Native American DNA than the average American. You are wrong about this, I’m sorry to say, even if you can’t admit it.

Her results indicate Native American DNA from 6 to 10 generations ago...that is so minuscule as to be totally irrelevant to anything, and even offensive (as most Native American Rights groups have said). Most people in the world will have some exotic DNA going that far back...it matters absolutely nothing.

That you're pushing (yes, pushing) the idea she's part-Native American just so you can get one over on Trump is...well...it's sad. And Trump & his camp laugh their arses off at sad cheerleaders of inane Leftist dogma.

Here are your posts on the subject:

the technical report makes clear that Elizabeth Warren has native american ancestry. Lying racist Trump owes her 1,000,000 on behalf of a charity of her choice. Simple as that.

her DNA does show that she is more native american than the average American (i.e., she has native american ancestry)...had to dig into the technical report to find this, but it is pretty conclusive in my mind.

She has a long segment of native American DNA on chromosome 10, which can only be accounted for by an ancestor about 6-8 generations back.

I'm just saying that she does, in fact, have more Native American DNA than the average American (this was the part that was wrongly reported in the media) and Trump said he would pay 1000000 to a charity of her choice if she had Native American DNA, which she does.


You even "digged into the technical report" lol
 
Her results indicate Native American DNA from 6 to 10 generations ago...that is so minuscule as to be totally irrelevant to anything, and even offensive (as most Native American Rights groups have said). Most people in the world will have some exotic DNA going that far back...it matters absolutely nothing.

That you're pushing (yes, pushing) the idea she's part-Native American just so you can get one over on Trump is...well...it's sad. And Trump & his camp laugh their arses off at sad cheerleaders of inane Leftist dogma.

Here are your posts on the subject:










You even "digged into the technical report" lol

I'm aware of my posts on the subject, and I looked at the technical report to confirm that she has more Native American DNA than the average American--this is is the issue we are talking about. She does. Whether this amount is absolutely minuscule to you is not what is at issue. The issue, as you claimed, was that Warren has no more native American DNA than the average American. This is not true. She does have more native American DNA than the average American, and she, unlike the average American, can claim that she has a Native American ancestor. And your claim, "Most people in the world will have some exotic DNA going that far back" does not make sense. More simply, you are wrong Warren's ancestry test.

I'm not trying to get one over on Trump. It is a matter of fact as to what the data in the ancestry test show. And they show what I'm claiming as correct.

Politically-speaking, I'm already on record saying this was a silly and poor move by Warren. I still hold that opinion. But I am also on record as taking Trump's verbatim quote--"I will give you a million dollars, to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian" to be a challenge to Warren. This is a challenge she has passed, whereas it would be a challenge that I (and likely you) would fail because we don't have native American ancestry.
 
I'm aware of my posts on the subject, and I looked at the technical report to confirm that she has more Native American DNA than the average American--this is is the issue we are talking about. She does. Whether this amount is absolutely minuscule to you is not what is at issue. The issue, as you claimed, was that Warren has no more native American DNA than the average American. This is not true. She does have more native American DNA than the average American, and she, unlike the average American, can claim that she has a Native American ancestor. And your claim, "Most people in the world will have some exotic DNA going that far back" does not make sense. More simply, you are wrong Warren's ancestry test.

I'm not trying to get one over on Trump. It is a matter of fact as to what the data in the ancestry test show. And they show what I'm claiming as correct.

Politically-speaking, I'm already on record saying this was a silly and poor move by Warren. I still hold that opinion. But I am also on record as taking Trump's verbatim quote--"I will give you a million dollars, to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian" to be a challenge to Warren. This is a challenge she has passed, whereas it would be a challenge that I (and likely you) would fail because we don't have native American ancestry.

She doesn't tho' lol even your WP link confirms that the amount is too tiny to warrant such a claim.

Weird that you keep pushing this after we're all agreed Warren made herself a laughing stock for pushing this herself.

And then you say "I'm not trying to get one over on Trump" yet in one of your posts I quoted you say this:
"Lying racist Trump owes her 1,000,000 on behalf of a charity of her choice."

Your own words damn you, and you can't see it. Fascinating to witness such self-inflicted intellectual destruction.
 
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