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worth posting again this, @verreauxi repeatedly pushing Warren's Native American DNA claims is purely Trump's doing. That's one example of so so many...




...swallow your pride lads and just admit it, then we can all move on and hopefully focus on a return to sanity after 2020. Maybe we could use this thread to push some serious 2020 Dem candidates (not Warren!). Not Ocasio-Cortez either as she's too sensationalist...the world needs a Jimmy Carter type.
 
She doesn't tho' lol even your WP link confirms that the amount is too tiny to warrant such a claim.

Weird that you keep pushing this after we're all agreed Warren made herself a laughing stock for pushing this herself.

And then you say "I'm not trying to get one over on Trump" yet in one of your posts I quoted you say this:
"Lying racist Trump owes her 1,000,000 on behalf of a charity of her choice."

Your own words damn you, and you can't see it. Fascinating to witness such self-inflicted intellectual destruction.

The issue is that you claimed Warren had no more Native American DNA than the average American. The WP article makes clear (via the technical report), “While the vast majority of the individual’s ancestry is European, the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor in the individual’s pedigree, likely in the range of 6-10 generations ago,” which is something neither you nor I claim. This is the issue that you are wrong about. It is simple as that, but you can't admit that you are wrong about this simple genetic fact. Instead you have tried to move the goal-posts to my comments on Trump, you have pointed out in a typically petty manner that I used "digged" instead of "dug," or you have tried to move past it by saying, "after we're all agreed Warren made herself a laughing stock for pushing this herself." None of this speaks to your wrongness about your original claim. It is as simple as that.

As to me talking about Trump, 1) he is a liar, 2) he is racist, and 3) he made a challenge to Warren in which he lost. These are all easy claims to verify.
 
The issue is that you claimed Warren had no more Native American DNA than the average American. The WP article makes clear (via the technical report), “While the vast majority of the individual’s ancestry is European, the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor in the individual’s pedigree, likely in the range of 6-10 generations ago,” which is something neither you nor I claim. This is the issue that you are wrong about. It is simple as that, but you can't admit that you are wrong about this simple genetic fact. Instead you have tried to move the goal-posts to my comments on Trump, you have pointed out in a typically petty manner that I used "digged" instead of "dug," or you have tried to move past it by saying, "after we're all agreed Warren made herself a laughing stock for pushing this herself." None of this speaks to your wrongness about your original claim. It is as simple as that.

As to me talking about Trump, 1) he is a liar, 2) he is racist, and 3) he made a challenge to Warren in which he lost. These are all easy claims to verify.

bonkers
 
worth posting again this, @verreauxi repeatedly pushing Warren's Native American DNA claims is purely Trump's doing. That's one example of so so many...




...swallow your pride lads and just admit it, then we can all move on and hopefully focus on a return to sanity after 2020. Maybe we could use this thread to push some serious 2020 Dem candidates (not Warren!). Not Ocasio-Cortez either as she's too sensationalist...the world needs a Jimmy Carter type.


The world needs a jimmy carter type but in the mean time, watch this tucker Carlson video again
 
The world needs a jimmy carter type but in the mean time, watch this tucker Carlson video again

I sense the tribalist unable to compute the above. Like two magnets facing the wrong way.

Oh look, what's this? Jimmy Carter saying the same thing as Tucker Carlson in that video I linked? But...the magnets? When they face the wrong way they're not supposed to touch...the world is so confusing.

Jimmy Carter: Talking about impeaching Donald Trump is 'wrong thing' for Democrats to do
 
I sense the tribalist unable to compute the above. Like two magnets facing the wrong way.

Oh look, what's this? Jimmy Carter saying the same thing as Tucker Carlson in that video I linked? But...the magnets? When they face the wrong way they're not supposed to touch...the world is so confusing.

Jimmy Carter: Talking about impeaching Donald Trump is 'wrong thing' for Democrats to do
Fine, I’m a tribalist, couldn’t care less. Trump is a crook and should be impeached. I’d impeach Kavanaugh too because he lied under oath and showed a gross lack of impartiality.
 

Actually I gave a direct response to what you wrote. But if "bonkers" is your best response, I understand. It is a simple genetic fact that you are wrong about, but you cannot bring yourself to admit it. Instead it is all deflections about "digged", Trump, "minuscule" etc. This doesn't absolve you from being wrong about this simple genetic fact.
 
It is a simple genetic fact that you are wrong about

for the 8th time you are saying this (and you keep saying you're not pushing it). But you are wrong. You haven't backed this up with anything other than your own words saying it's a fact. The one time you did link a piece, it didn't say what you are saying.

Bustamente, the professor behind the test, only concluded the test results mean it's "likely" that it "supports" a very distant Native American ancestry going back a few hundred years ago.

Washington Post claimed that this technically means Warren has more ancestry than the average European American, not American. But they rolled back this claim due to the minuscule amount of DNA not proving anything as a "fact", plus the backlash from the Native American community.

So there is no "simple genetic fact", because you don't understand genetics. There isn't enough there to say anything is a fact. Bustamente says so himself.

You even admitted that your 'simple fact' is nothing but your interpretation of information:
had to dig into the technical report to find this, but it is pretty conclusive in my mind.

In your mind...these are simple facts which you keep repeating to yourself...like a mantra. Until you believe nothing else.

This is what they call alternative facts. Or what I call self-brainwashing. Or indeed bonkers.
 
for the 8th time you are saying this (and you keep saying you're not pushing it). But you are wrong. You haven't backed this up with anything other than your own words saying it's a fact. The one time you did link a piece, it didn't say what you are saying.

Bustamente, the professor behind the test, only concluded the test results mean it's "likely" that it "supports" a very distant Native American ancestry going back a few hundred years ago.

Washington Post claimed that this technically means Warren has more ancestry than the average European American, not American. But they rolled back this claim due to the minuscule amount of DNA not proving anything as a "fact", plus the backlash from the Native American community.

So there is no "simple genetic fact", because you don't understand genetics. There isn't enough there to say anything is a fact. Bustamente says so himself.

You even admitted that your 'simple fact' is nothing but your interpretation of information:


In your mind...these are simple facts which you keep repeating to yourself...like a mantra. Until you believe nothing else.

This is what they call alternative facts. Or what I call self-brainwashing. Or indeed bonkers.

Scientists use words like "likely" and "support" to express probability in a hypothesis. This is standard scientific talk. Can science prove anything with 100% certainty?...of course not. That's not how science works. The data only speak to the most likely hypothesis, which in this case is that Warren has more native American DNA than the average American. If you are trying to move the goal posts (again) in terms of what constitutes proof in some sort of philosophical sense (or some silly semantic debate over "pretty conclusive"), that's fine, we can do that in another post. Science only makes the strongest inference to the best explanation and such inferences are measured in probabilities, which is why any scientist worth their salt would never say anything like "we've shown conclusively" or "we have definitely proved that" etc. Instead, they use phrases like "with 99% probability, the data and analysis support this explanation..." Such words are a simple acknowledgment that it could be otherwise, given a new set of data, a new analysis, etc. The technical report says "The analysis also identified 5 genetic segments as Native American in origin at high confidence, defined at the 99% posterior probability value." So at present, the data support the simple fact that her DNA contains Native American segments. It is a fact because if she released her raw data, I could literally point to the long stretches of A's, C's, T's and G's in her genome that reflect this ancestry. And I could further point to a different sequence of A's, C's, T's and G's in an average American genome showing that they lack this native American segment. So again, you are simply wrong on this. And it becomes more and more puzzling that you cannot admit it.

Let me put it this way: if another analysis turns up that says she is 83% Finnish or any other analysis that robustly proves Bustamante's analysis incorrect, I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong. But there are no alternative analyses, and the only analysis we have is quite robust and shows, as a simple fact, that she has long stretches of Native American DNA and the average American does not.

As to the quote "because you don't understand genetics" that is simply false.
 
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