Current Affairs General US politics (ie, not POTUS related)

[tsubaki]

One of the most sickening things about US politics is that the black community, in spite of the systematic oppression it has had to deal with, still retains its solidarity for other oppressed groups (whether it be Muslims, Jews, or the entire working class communities).

The most impressive thing about the wave of new Democratic politicians that are coming up is how many of them emphasise issues of class (and equal opportunity for all) rather than race; that is after all how to beat Trump and Trump-style politics and it is far less socially damaging than what the GOP and the current top of the Democrats have been doing for years.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Isnt pursuing any charges then.

Whichever way you put it , pretty strange how the accusation isn't quite as important anymore now kavanagh got the job.

It appears like it was simply designed as a political weapon to stop him rather than actual accusations.

What a load of BS.

Criminal charges were never even mooted. It happened nearly 40 years ago so to prove beyond a reasonable doubt (which is the standard in a courtroom but not (or certainly shouldn’t be) in a job interview.

She also came forward BEFORE he was even nominated, to highlight what had happened. So unless you reckon there were 20-odd people who all came forward with stories about the other judges on the list (but amazingly none leaked) then the “it was just to stop him” story doesn’t really add up.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

What I cannot understand is why the USA has allowed itself to get into this mess.

Did it not used to be that a Supreme Court nominee needed something like at least 60% of senators to vote in favour?

At least that way a large degree of bi-partisan voting would be needed and a reasonable consensus would be shown to exist.

This 51 vote thing leads to bitter partisanship as we have seen......and allows a President to pick more extremist candidates than is good for both justice and the country.

When and why was this changed?

Mitch McConnell invoked the “nuclear option” (for Supreme Court picks) last year to get Gorsuch confirmed.

Democrat leader Harry Reid had previously invoked it for other judgeships and cabinet positions after Republicans had basically made it their raison d’etre to stop obama doing anything at all. McConnell even verbalised it after the 2008 election “our number one priority should be denying Obama a second term” - not serving the people, not reducing poverty, not improving healthcare or education... Christ, not even “cutting taxes for our rich friends” - denying Obama a second term.

And they now have the nerve to call Democrats obstructionist.

 

[Kenshin]

What a load of BS.

Criminal charges were never even mooted. It happened nearly 40 years ago so to prove beyond a reasonable doubt (which is the standard in a courtroom but not (or certainly shouldn’t be) in a job interview.

She also came forward BEFORE he was even nominated, to highlight what had happened. So unless you reckon there were 20-odd people who all came forward with stories about the other judges on the list (but amazingly none leaked) then the “it was just to stop him” story doesn’t really add up.

So why mention it then? Why bring it up? You say yourself it happened 40 years ago, so why does it only just surface? It had nothing to do with trump favouring him?

In fact the person who the story came from had been found out for having Chinese spies on her books. Yet this story broke and nothing ever came from that story, if it was trump for example who had worked with them it would be in the news daily.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/sanf...inese-spy-dianne-feinstein-san-francisco/amp/

Now the story goes away like it was nothing. Nothing except the tag line that it's a blow for women who speak up. Except if the story was genuinely true then why would a 40 year old story go away now like it doesn't matter?

The fact is democrat tactics since trump has come in has bordered on embarrassing and next month will prove with the red wave that they have damaged leftist political movements for a long time. It's always been about women as well, away from politics and more underhand dirty tactics to do anything but debate an issue going on.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Crawled out your hole again have you?

What did i do now?

 

[tsubaki]

Mitch McConnell invoked the “nuclear option” (for Supreme Court picks) last year to get Gorsuch confirmed.

Democrat leader Harry Reid had previously invoked it for other judgeships and cabinet positions after Republicans had basically made it their raison d’etre to stop obama doing anything at all. McConnell even verbalised it after the 2008 election “our number one priority should be denying Obama a second term” - not serving the people, not reducing poverty, not improving healthcare or education... Christ, not even “cutting taxes for our rich friends” - denying Obama a second term.

And they now have the nerve to call Democrats obstructionist.

The problem is Roe vs Wade - the failure over several decades to translate it into a constitutional amendment has meant that the possibility of it being overturned has been like a carrot dangled before the evangelical horse; they've organized to the extent that we all see before us now.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Isnt pursuing any charges then.

Whichever way you put it , pretty strange how the accusation isn't quite as important anymore now kavanagh got the job.

It appears like it was simply designed as a political weapon to stop him rather than actual accusations.

I'm curious as to why you think that after she put her story out there and nothing happened she would want to do it again in court

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

So why mention it then? Why bring it up? You say yourself it happened 40 years ago, so why does it only just surface? It had nothing to do with trump favouring him?

In fact the person who the story came from had been found out for having Chinese spies on her books. Yet this story broke and nothing ever came from that story, if it was trump for example who had worked with them it would be in the news daily.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/sanf...inese-spy-dianne-feinstein-san-francisco/amp/

Now the story goes away like it was nothing. Nothing except the tag line that it's a blow for women who speak up. Except if the story was genuinely true then why would a 40 year old story go away now like it doesn't matter?

The fact is democrat tactics since trump has come in has bordered on embarrassing and next month will prove with the red wave that they have damaged leftist political movements for a long time. It's always been about women as well, away from politics and more underhand dirty tactics to do anything but debate an issue going on.

There had been no indication of Kavanaugh having Trump’s favour at the point where she came forward. And not to cramp your style, but she didn’t take the story to Feinstein (and it’s also been confirmed that the leaks didn’t come from her either).

Regarding the story, I sincerely doubt it will go away, entirely. That’s a very different thing to there being a criminal prosecution.

As for the second part... well I guess we’ll see about that. Very little evidence of that so far though.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

I'm curious as to why you think that after she put her story out there and nothing happened she would want to do it again in court

Also why someone would entirely upend their life by coming forward with such a made up story, when it was an EXTREME long shot that it would prevent his confirmation... and that even if it DID, Trump would simply nominate another equally (or even more) conservative jurist.

Or of course why there was no real opposition to Gorsuch taking a stolen seat.

Details details. No place for details when you’re trying to spin a “see how victimised white men are these days” conspiracy story.

 

[Kenshin]

I'm curious as to why you think that after she put her story out there and nothing happened she would want to do it again in court

Because he is guilty and therefore should come to justice for what he did , even it was 40 years ago?

Again I ask what was the point of mentioning it if she didn't want justice brought to him?

There had been no indication of Kavanaugh having Trump’s favour at the point where she came forward. And not to cramp your style, but she didn’t take the story to Feinstein (and it’s also been confirmed that the leaks didn’t come from her either).

Regarding the story, I sincerely doubt it will go away, entirely. That’s a very different thing to there being a criminal prosecution.

As for the second part... well I guess we’ll see about that. Very little evidence of that so far though.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/05/trump-picks-brett-kavanaugh-for-supreme-court.html

That's from 4 months ago , the other story didnt break in the news until around a month ago.

Plus why wouldn't it just go away now? The Chinese spy story from Weinstein just went away and God forbid if someone more media famous had that story ran against them they would be front page news daily. After all the democratic propaganda of trump and the Russians ran for months on end.

 

[verreauxi]

No place for details when you’re trying to spin a “see how victimised white men are these days” conspiracy story.

White men are so truly tortured and victimized. It's really awful.

How do I know this?...because Jordan Peterson told me to think this way, and he uses big words so he's obviously smart.

 

[verreauxi]

Because he is guilty and therefore should come to justice for what he did , even it was 40 years ago?

Again I ask what was the point of mentioning it if she didn't want justice brought to him?

The statute of limitations is up for criminal prosecution I believe.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Because he is guilty and therefore should come to justice for what he did , even it was 40 years ago?

Again I ask what was the point of mentioning it if she didn't want justice brought to him?


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/05/trump-picks-brett-kavanaugh-for-supreme-court.html

That's from 4 months ago , the other story didnt break in the news until around a month ago.

Plus why wouldn't it just go away now? The Chinese spy story from Weinstein just went away and God forbid if someone more media famous had that story ran against them they would be front page news daily. After all the democratic propaganda of trump and the Russians ran for months on end.

I think you may have just told on yourself

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[DanEFC92]