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Russia played its hand and is screwing up. Xi will not go down the same route. If he tries to invade and gets his arse kicked he’s out.….
The sabre rattling is likely nothing more than PR and propaganda at this stage. Xi will be sticking with his long game, which includes the Belt and Road initiative, to gain strategic footholds around the world where they can disrupt any interventions much more effectively.

Current example is in the Solomon Islands, China is pouring huge money into the country, including wharves which may or may not host sections of the Chinese navy in years to come.

Or the Spratley Islands where they have created artificial islands, claimed sovereignety on the surrounding seas and placing several naval forces.

Both of these could have the ability to slow down, if not prevent, any naval support for Taiwan via the Indian ocean. And they are currently working to provide similar resources to other countries in the pacific region

When their resources are adequately distibuted in strategic locations around the world, then we will likely see a much more physically aggressive China
 
This is probably a lot like what the world felt in 1910 ish and 1935...
Feels more like about 1854 to me here in America right now. I'm expecting one member of Congress to literally beat another into unconsciousness with a blunt object on the floor of one of the chambers any day now. (Yes, this happened. They probably didn't teach you that one in school.)

As far as Pelosi is concerned, the military's concerns about an attack on her plane were transparent nonsense. That would be a declaration of war by China. They weren't doing that. They can definitely cause trouble, but the Strait keeps that to a minimum. I wouldn't agree with pete that Pelosi going there was a good idea - obvious political theater going into an election is obvious - but once she committed there wasn't a compelling reason to back down.
 
By one count, 20% of Kansas primary voters showed up to vote against striking the abortion protection provisions in the constitution and didn't even bother to cast a vote for governor in the primary, much less anything else.



This is tempered by the fact that Kansas has a semi-closed primary, so independents could only vote on the amendment unless they declared a party, but we could see some very weird stuff in November.
 
The sabre rattling is likely nothing more than PR and propaganda at this stage. Xi will be sticking with his long game, which includes the Belt and Road initiative, to gain strategic footholds around the world where they can disrupt any interventions much more effectively.

Current example is in the Solomon Islands, China is pouring huge money into the country, including wharves which may or may not host sections of the Chinese navy in years to come.

Or the Spratley Islands where they have created artificial islands, claimed sovereignety on the surrounding seas and placing several naval forces.

Both of these could have the ability to slow down, if not prevent, any naval support for Taiwan via the Indian ocean. And they are currently working to provide similar resources to other countries in the pacific region

When their resources are adequately distibuted in strategic locations around the world, then we will likely see a much more physically aggressive China

Indeed, and it is this that the USA and the West are ignoring at our peril…..
 
Indeed, and it is this that the USA and the West are ignoring at our peril…..
We're not ignoring it. There just isn't a ton that we can do about it, from a practical standpoint. It's clear enough that China is trying to establish the South China Sea as territorial waters so that they can exploit the offshore oil and gas, and gain an edge in a prospective naval conflict in the region.

It's not clear what we're supposed to do about it. We don't want a war - we want to deter one - so use of force is out. Asking the UN to redefine the concept of territorial waters won't fly. We couldn't work with Duterte. Maybe we can work with Marcos, but that family's relationship with the US is best characterized as "complicated".

Our best bet is probably to do what we have been doing: sit back and wait. The chances of their economy imploding the same way the Japanese economy did are good, and for much the same reason (though the pathway to the result differed). If that happens, the problem goes away in a big hurry.
 
We're not ignoring it. There just isn't a ton that we can do about it, from a practical standpoint. It's clear enough that China is trying to establish the South China Sea as territorial waters so that they can exploit the offshore oil and gas, and gain an edge in a prospective naval conflict in the region.

It's not clear what we're supposed to do about it. We don't want a war - we want to deter one - so use of force is out. Asking the UN to redefine the concept of territorial waters won't fly. We couldn't work with Duterte. Maybe we can work with Marcos, but that family's relationship with the US is best characterized as "complicated".

Our best bet is probably to do what we have been doing: sit back and wait. The chances of their economy imploding the same way the Japanese economy did are good, and for much the same reason (though the pathway to the result differed). If that happens, the problem goes away in a big hurry.
South China Sea is just one part of it though, and yes it would be difficult to do anything of substance about what they are doing there.

But Solomon Islands - They provide the PM with a slush fund, they suddenly change their diplomatic allegiance from Taiwan to China. China signs a security pact with them, which is likely to allow the Chinese navy to base there in several years time. China is currently attempting to purchase vast tracts of land in Solomon Islands which, coincidentally, happen to have deep wharves attached.

That could easily have been countered by increasing rather than decreasing foreign aid to them (maybe a lesson there for all the small minded bigots who says "charity begins at home etc")

China is currently attempting to do the same with over a dozen other small, but geographically strategic Pacific Island nations.
The West, and Australia in particular, has finally woken up to this and is now offering the levels of support we should have provided all along.

So yes, the west could have done something about it, and we still do have a chance to do something about it
 
South China Sea is just one part of it though, and yes it would be difficult to do anything of substance about what they are doing there.

But Solomon Islands - They provide the PM with a slush fund, they suddenly change their diplomatic allegiance from Taiwan to China. China signs a security pact with them, which is likely to allow the Chinese navy to base there in several years time. China is currently attempting to purchase vast tracts of land in Solomon Islands which, coincidentally, happen to have deep wharves attached.

That could easily have been countered by increasing rather than decreasing foreign aid to them (maybe a lesson there for all the small minded bigots who says "charity begins at home etc")

China is currently attempting to do the same with over a dozen other small, but geographically strategic Pacific Island nations.
The West, and Australia in particular, has finally woken up to this and is now offering the levels of support we should have provided all along.

So yes, the west could have done something about it, and we still do have a chance to do something about it
I started reading the second paragraph and said to myself, "What did you want us to do? Increase foreign aid?" And the answer was, "Yup," so you're thinking. This is good. Most people don't understand the purpose of foreign aid, which is to buy policy outcomes. Another way to look at the same situation is this: it's worth more to the Chinese than it is to us, so we should bow out of a bidding war before it starts because we always lose.

Now, if you want to take a multilateral approach and outbid the Chinese collectively, that might have some legs. I then have questions. If you're Biden, the opposition in Congress is going to extract concessions from you in order to go along with your preferred outcome, rather than theirs. Is it worth it? Do you have Manchin and Sinema on this? If you don't, either can torpedo your infrastructure bill, and I would argue that Biden never lets that happen this close to an election.

It's a mistake to think that foreign policy happens in a vacuum. Politics largely used to stop at the water's edge, true, but foreign policy was never totally monolithic even during the Cold War. Bob Putnam is (well, was) right about this one - foreign policy is the outcome of a two-level game where leaders are playing for meaningful stakes at both the domestic and foreign card tables. The problem with the Solomon Islands is that I think they're a much higher priority to the Australians than they are to us. Our immediate problems are in the South China Sea, due to our security commitments to the Philippines and Taiwan and their proximity to China. The Chinese can base in the Solomon Islands all they want. They cannot defend those bases from us as things stand.

As they continue to add carriers to their fleet, this becomes more of a problem. That's a problem for about a decade from now, though, not now. The people in the Solomon Islands don't much like the Australians, and debatably like the Chinese less. I can't see them reacting to basing favorably in the short term.
 
I started reading the second paragraph and said to myself, "What did you want us to do? Increase foreign aid?" And the answer was, "Yup," so you're thinking. This is good. Most people don't understand the purpose of foreign aid, which is to buy policy outcomes. Another way to look at the same situation is this: it's worth more to the Chinese than it is to us, so we should bow out of a bidding war before it starts because we always lose.

Now, if you want to take a multilateral approach and outbid the Chinese collectively, that might have some legs. I then have questions. If you're Biden, the opposition in Congress is going to extract concessions from you in order to go along with your preferred outcome, rather than theirs. Is it worth it? Do you have Manchin and Sinema on this? If you don't, either can torpedo your infrastructure bill, and I would argue that Biden never lets that happen this close to an election.

It's a mistake to think that foreign policy happens in a vacuum. Politics largely used to stop at the water's edge, true, but foreign policy was never totally monolithic even during the Cold War. Bob Putnam is (well, was) right about this one - foreign policy is the outcome of a two-level game where leaders are playing for meaningful stakes at both the domestic and foreign card tables. The problem with the Solomon Islands is that I think they're a much higher priority to the Australians than they are to us. Our immediate problems are in the South China Sea, due to our security commitments to the Philippines and Taiwan and their proximity to China. The Chinese can base in the Solomon Islands all they want. They cannot defend those bases from us as things stand.

As they continue to add carriers to their fleet, this becomes more of a problem. That's a problem for about a decade from now, though, not now. The people in the Solomon Islands don't much like the Australians, and debatably like the Chinese less. I can't see them reacting to basing favorably in the short term.
I wouldn't have a clue how the politics of it work in the US, but here in Australia, there is bi-partisan support for providing aid to our pacific neighbours, we have just dropped the ball in recent years allowing China to get a foothold in the Solomon Islands.

Both major parties are in absolute agreeance that we need to increase our aid to the rest of the region, and not just in terms of financial donations.

Culturally, the Pacific nations are much more closely aligned with Aus and NZ, and have a long history of working alongside us, which still counts for a lot.

As for Australians not being very popular in the Solomon Islands, whoever told you that just made it up I'm afraid. They even had riots in Honiare when news filtered through of Chinese aid being accepted over Australian.
 
I wouldn't have a clue how the politics of it work in the US, but here in Australia, there is bi-partisan support for providing aid to our pacific neighbours, we have just dropped the ball in recent years allowing China to get a foothold in the Solomon Islands.

Both major parties are in absolute agreeance that we need to increase our aid to the rest of the region, and not just in terms of financial donations.

Culturally, the Pacific nations are much more closely aligned with Aus and NZ, and have a long history of working alongside us, which still counts for a lot.

As for Australians not being very popular in the Solomon Islands, whoever told you that just made it up I'm afraid. They even had riots in Honiare when news filtered through of Chinese aid being accepted over Australian.
Long story short, you live in the kind of country that has the political will to buy back guns. I live in the kind of country that can't ban the sale of new assault weapons despite this being favored by an overwhelming majority of its citizenry. There's a stack of reasons why that's the case, but the in-a-nutshell version is that your government has general agreement regarding certain basic principles of governance. Over here, our deep political divisions are largely over indivisible social choices, just like the last time civil war broke out. By 'indivisible', I mean that the issues at stake are both binary and mutually exclusive - either slavery is legal or it isn't. The result is that everything has become politicized to the point that we're functionally ruled by oppositional toddlers impersonating adults, and bipartisanship has more or less vanished.

I'm aware of the riots in the Solomon Islands, but from what I can tell from the outside that country is a bit of a mess internally. In general, external countries that send in peacekeepers to quell internal strife don't end up on great terms with all of the locals. There's definitely a vocal proportion of the population that intensely dislikes Beijing due to the apparent corruption that followed the cash injection associated with the recognition switch. That happening should surprise no one, as the Chinese have had a millennium of continuous government by bureaucracy to drive corruption bone-deep in their society.

Our own problems are systemic, and at their root are driven by the fact that Franklin et al bricked hard when they adapted the British first-past-the-post electoral system to legislative districts drawn by state legislators. That works when all politics are local, or when there's general agreement on federal policy. It quits working when the most salient issues are national, and there are deep divisions over those issues. It also works less well across the board as you the system is increasingly corrupted by money. Historically that tends to ebb and flow here, and we're at a high tide at the moment.
 
Long story short, you live in the kind of country that has the political will to buy back guns. I live in the kind of country that can't ban the sale of new assault weapons despite this being favored by an overwhelming majority of its citizenry. There's a stack of reasons why that's the case, but the in-a-nutshell version is that your government has general agreement regarding certain basic principles of governance. Over here, our deep political divisions are largely over indivisible social choices, just like the last time civil war broke out. By 'indivisible', I mean that the issues at stake are both binary and mutually exclusive - either slavery is legal or it isn't. The result is that everything has become politicized to the point that we're functionally ruled by oppositional toddlers impersonating adults, and bipartisanship has more or less vanished.

I'm aware of the riots in the Solomon Islands, but from what I can tell from the outside that country is a bit of a mess internally. In general, external countries that send in peacekeepers to quell internal strife don't end up on great terms with all of the locals. There's definitely a vocal proportion of the population that intensely dislikes Beijing due to the apparent corruption that followed the cash injection associated with the recognition switch. That happening should surprise no one, as the Chinese have had a millennium of continuous government by bureaucracy to drive corruption bone-deep in their society.

Our own problems are systemic, and at their root are driven by the fact that Franklin et al bricked hard when they adapted the British first-past-the-post electoral system to legislative districts drawn by state legislators. That works when all politics are local, or when there's general agreement on federal policy. It quits working when the most salient issues are national, and there are deep divisions over those issues. It also works less well across the board as you the system is increasingly corrupted by money. Historically that tends to ebb and flow here, and we're at a high tide at the moment.
IMHO Franklin et al, despite their wisdom, could not have foreseen the growth of the country and the extent to which news sources has led to our dysfunction
 
We can only hope
It's likely to do a couple of things - tip independents and get them to the polls, based on the evidence in Kansas. It won't produce the same kind of result in a general election, since normally independents are barred from having a meaningful voice in Kansas primaries. The people that showed up to the polls on Tuesday will show up again in November. It remains unclear how many of the independents in question don't normally show up in November, or normally vote the other way.

IMHO Franklin et al, despite their wisdom, could not have foreseen the growth of the country and the extent to which news sources has led to our dysfunction
Agreed in part. Madison didn't think there would be political parties at the time, which is debatably naive, but the structural problems of today also led to the Civil War. It's important to see the Constitution for what it is - a document designed to make it really hard to get anything done, but still permit getting things done. I think Madison and Hamilton were more than a little bit intellectually dishonest about why in the Federalist Papers, which I have always read as a post hoc justification for the compromise output of a committee. The purpose of the document, according to the convention minutes and other sources, was to lock the status quo of an alliance of free states and slave states in place and simultaneously produce a functioning government. Trying to do the one undermined the other.

I would argue that the document works well when there are bigger fish to fry external to our borders - the British, Native Americans, Mexico, Germany twice, the Cold War. It does not work very well when that is not the case, and we turn on one another. I would further argue that our fragmented news is accelerating the dysfunction, rather than the root cause.
 
It's likely to do a couple of things - tip independents and get them to the polls, based on the evidence in Kansas. It won't produce the same kind of result in a general election, since normally independents are barred from having a meaningful voice in Kansas primaries. The people that showed up to the polls on Tuesday will show up again in November. It remains unclear how many of the independents in question don't normally show up in November, or normally vote the other way.


Agreed in part. Madison didn't think there would be political parties at the time, which is debatably naive, but the structural problems of today also led to the Civil War. It's important to see the Constitution for what it is - a document designed to make it really hard to get anything done, but still permit getting things done. I think Madison and Hamilton were more than a little bit intellectually dishonest about why in the Federalist Papers, which I have always read as a post hoc justification for the compromise output of a committee. The purpose of the document, according to the convention minutes and other sources, was to lock the status quo of an alliance of free states and slave states in place and simultaneously produce a functioning government. Trying to do the one undermined the other.

I would argue that the document works well when there are bigger fish to fry external to our borders - the British, Native Americans, Mexico, Germany twice, the Cold War. It does not work very well when that is not the case, and we turn on one another. I would further argue that our fragmented news is accelerating the dysfunction, rather than the root cause.
No doubt. Many compromises were made to get the thing passed and get the Union off the ground. Which is why we have the 2nd amendment in the first place - the slave states wouldn't ratify the Constitution with it
 
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