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Having said that I honestly don't believe who is telling the truth. You have to ask yourself why would such a highly successful woman put herself through the proverbial public mincer unless she believed in her motivations. Also there have been other women coming forward making additional claims which deserves closer analysis. There is also claims by past acquaintances, one being from Yale, that he is simply lying about his weak stomach for alcohol and that it was a common occurrence to see him utterly bladdered and behaving inappropriately. So it wouldn't surprise me if he has been one of these elitist frat boy mysogynistic types in his college days that thought it would be fun to exploit young women for a laugh with his buddies. However at this time there's not enough evidence to suggest so. The FBI should be allowed to interview whom they want and longer should be given to reach the right conclusion. It won't though will it so it kinda becomes corrupt.
 
I still can't get over the partisan opening statement from Kavanaugh's testimony. That alone should disqualify him. Wouldn't you agree @mezzrow? Invoking a left wing conspiracy and revenge from the Clinton's was red meat for the far right, and in no way should be used by a SCOTUS member.

I agree with you here up to a point but put yourself in his shoes. If he is telling the truth there may be some truth in what he is saying, albeit is exaggerated. I see what you are saying though.
 
It was 100% partisan. It is disqualifying. Imagine if it was Merrick Garland giving the same statement (if Republicans allowed him to speak).
Yes I agree, as I understand they are to apply neutral principles of law to resolve disputes, but this is only theoretical though. The truth is different isn't it? The Supreme Court has been used as an instrument to get the President's wishes rubber stamped. That's why if you're a Democrat you should be worried as Mr Trump is about to get his second Republican Judge seated at the highest court in the land. The Supreme Court will have an unfair tilt towards conservatism. This means it will be easier for him to pass controversial new laws etc.
 
Yes I agree, as I understand they are to apply neutral principles of law to resolve disputes, but this is only theoretical though. The truth is different isn't it? The Supreme Court has been used as an instrument to get the President's wishes rubber stamped. That's why if you're a Democrat you should be worried as Mr Trump is about to get his second Republican Judge seated at the highest court in the land. The Supreme Court will have an unfair tilt towards conservatism. This means it will be easier for him to pass controversial new laws etc.

The Supreme Court has been conservative leaning since Nixon. The worry is not another conservative judge, but rather a partisan conservative operative being elevated to a life long appointment. His opening statement disqualifies him from being impartial. Republicans are setting so many dangerous precedents that I fear are leading to an eventual civil war. I do not say that lightly.
 
The Supreme Court has been conservative leaning since Nixon. The worry is not another conservative judge, but rather a partisan conservative operative being elevated to a life long appointment. His opening statement disqualifies him from being impartial. Republicans are setting so many dangerous precedents that I fear are leading to an eventual civil war. I do not say that lightly.
Okay I see what you are saying. Interesting stuff. Thanks. When you say civil war can you define your parameters here? Are you meaning within the House's of Congress?
 
Okay I see what you are saying. Interesting stuff. Thanks. When you say civil war can you define your parameters here? Are you meaning within the House's of Congress?

No. Actual prospects of secession of conservative leaning states when liberals take back the majority. Right wing media has demonized the left as essentially the devil incarnate and have been doing so for decades.

82% of the US population is being muffled by 18% of the population because of the Senate. A weaponized 18% that have been groomed for decades that somehow rich old white men care about impoverished white people in rural USA. It's an amazing con they've successfully pulled.
 

I disagree. So does Lindsay Graham.

"The FBI will do a supplemental background investigation, then I'm going to call for an investigation of what happened in this committee. Who betrayed Dr. Ford's trust? Who in Feinstein's office recommended Katz as a lawyer? Why did Ms. Ford not know that the committee was willing to go to California?" Graham continued, referring to Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and Debra Katz, one of Ford's attorneys who has been involved in Democratic politics in the past.

This will play out. The vote will take place. Does your position include a requirement that Kavanaugh be impeached and removed from the DC Circuit? If you believe all the accusations, this would seem to be a reasonable conclusion.
 
I disagree. So does Lindsay Graham.

"The FBI will do a supplemental background investigation, then I'm going to call for an investigation of what happened in this committee. Who betrayed Dr. Ford's trust? Who in Feinstein's office recommended Katz as a lawyer? Why did Ms. Ford not know that the committee was willing to go to California?" Graham continued, referring to Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and Debra Katz, one of Ford's attorneys who has been involved in Democratic politics in the past.

This will play out. The vote will take place. Does your position include a requirement that Kavanaugh be impeached and removed from the DC Circuit? If you believe all the accusations, this would seem to be a reasonable conclusion.

I’ve no idea of the truth , I don’t but I’ve said and I’ll stand by she was a compelling witness. Kavanaugh wasn’t I thought he came across awfully but he also has clearly lied at various stages during the process , I think anyone looking dispassionately has to accept that the stories he spun seemed patently untrue whilst he conduct seemed to me incredibly unbecoming of somebody nominated for that position .

My question and it’s a genuine one why is he so important ? If he’s proven himself inappropriate then why not move to the next cab off the rank . The republicans can still have a conservative judge that they want , they can look like ‘the bigger person ‘ and you might have somebody who seems appropriate for the role . I find it amazing that Kavanaugh is deemed just so important as an individual.

As for Lyndsey graham I thought his ranting contrasted massively with him sagely nodding with when a democrat quoted his own words about the victims of sexual assault being trusted . I just didn’t think it was in anyway appropiate for a hearing of that magnitude especially one considering allegations of sexual assault.
 
I disagree. So does Lindsay Graham.

"The FBI will do a supplemental background investigation, then I'm going to call for an investigation of what happened in this committee. Who betrayed Dr. Ford's trust? Who in Feinstein's office recommended Katz as a lawyer? Why did Ms. Ford not know that the committee was willing to go to California?" Graham continued, referring to Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and Debra Katz, one of Ford's attorneys who has been involved in Democratic politics in the past.

This will play out. The vote will take place. Does your position include a requirement that Kavanaugh be impeached and removed from the DC Circuit? If you believe all the accusations, this would seem to be a reasonable conclusion.

Lindsay Graham? Well why didn’t you say so?! Did you know Kavanaugh’s mum also agrees with you?
The descent of Graham into full MAGA-dom has been quite a sight to see. Turns out his friendship with John McCain was in fact the only thing making him pretend to be something resembling a decent, rational person.

As for the second part - yes, absolutely.

Not for anything having to do with the accusations. He demonstrably lied repeatedly under oath, before and after the allegations.
 
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