Cant make it down town myself today but great to see a big welcoming committee for Flake!
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You disagree that his partisan statement is ok for the SCOTUS? Really?
After the way he perjured himself on Thursday, disbarment is the least he should expect!
You tell a smaller lie to hide a big lie and someone's gonna call you out.
"I have been contacted by numerous reporters about Brett Kavanaugh and have not wanted to say anything because I had nothing to contribute about what kind of justice he would be. I knew Brett at Yale because I was a classmate and a varsity basketball player and Brett enjoyed socializing with athletes. Indeed, athletes formed the core of Brett’s social circle.
In recent days I have become deeply troubled by what has been a blatant mischaracterization by Brett himself of his drinking at Yale. When I watched Brett and his wife being interviewed on Fox News on Monday, and when I watched Brett deliver his testimony under oath to the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday, I cringed. For the fact is, at Yale, and I can speak to no other times, Brett was a frequent drinker, and a heavy drinker. I know, because, especially in our first two years of college, I often drank with him. On many occasions I heard Brett slur his words and saw him staggering from alcohol consumption, not all of which was beer. When Brett got drunk, he was often belligerent and aggressive. On one of the last occasions I purposely socialized with Brett, I witnessed him respond to a semi-hostile remark, not by defusing the situation, but by throwing his beer in the man’s face and starting a fight that ended with one of our mutual friends in jail.
I do not believe that the heavy drinking or even loutish behavior of an 18- or even 21-year-old should condemn a person for the rest of his life. I would be a hypocrite to think so. However, I have direct and repeated knowledge about his drinking and his disposition while drunk. And I do believe that Brett’s actions as a 53-year-old federal judge matter. If he lied about his past actions on national television, and more especially while speaking under oath in front of the United States Senate, I believe those lies should have consequences. It is truth that is at stake, and I believe that the ability to speak the truth, even when it does not reflect well upon oneself, is a paramount quality we seek in our nation’s most powerful judges.
I can unequivocally say that in denying the possibility that he ever blacked out from drinking, and in downplaying the degree and frequency of his drinking, Brett has not told the truth.
I felt it was my civic duty to tell of my experience while drinking with Brett, and I offer this statement to the press. I have no desire to speak further publicly, and nothing more to say to the press at this time. I will, however, take my information to the F.B.I."
Charles (Chad) Ludington
"I have been contacted by numerous reporters about Brett Kavanaugh and have not wanted to say anything because I had nothing to contribute about what kind of justice he would be. I knew Brett at Yale because I was a classmate and a varsity basketball player and Brett enjoyed socializing with athletes. Indeed, athletes formed the core of Brett’s social circle.
In recent days I have become deeply troubled by what has been a blatant mischaracterization by Brett himself of his drinking at Yale. When I watched Brett and his wife being interviewed on Fox News on Monday, and when I watched Brett deliver his testimony under oath to the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday, I cringed. For the fact is, at Yale, and I can speak to no other times, Brett was a frequent drinker, and a heavy drinker. I know, because, especially in our first two years of college, I often drank with him. On many occasions I heard Brett slur his words and saw him staggering from alcohol consumption, not all of which was beer. When Brett got drunk, he was often belligerent and aggressive. On one of the last occasions I purposely socialized with Brett, I witnessed him respond to a semi-hostile remark, not by defusing the situation, but by throwing his beer in the man’s face and starting a fight that ended with one of our mutual friends in jail.
I do not believe that the heavy drinking or even loutish behavior of an 18- or even 21-year-old should condemn a person for the rest of his life. I would be a hypocrite to think so. However, I have direct and repeated knowledge about his drinking and his disposition while drunk. And I do believe that Brett’s actions as a 53-year-old federal judge matter. If he lied about his past actions on national television, and more especially while speaking under oath in front of the United States Senate, I believe those lies should have consequences. It is truth that is at stake, and I believe that the ability to speak the truth, even when it does not reflect well upon oneself, is a paramount quality we seek in our nation’s most powerful judges.
I can unequivocally say that in denying the possibility that he ever blacked out from drinking, and in downplaying the degree and frequency of his drinking, Brett has not told the truth.
I felt it was my civic duty to tell of my experience while drinking with Brett, and I offer this statement to the press. I have no desire to speak further publicly, and nothing more to say to the press at this time. I will, however, take my information to the F.B.I."
Charles (Chad) Ludington
Thing is though what if Charles was jealous of Brett's success perhaps? So all of a sudden he has become righteous. I know I've personally had some really messed up nights in my youth that when I look back upon I laugh to myself. I wouldn't start bragging about them at a job interview and I'd expect my mates to understand any down play I expressed under deep scrutiny, as long as they knew I'd not done anything to hurt anyone. There's a massive difference between getting crazy drunk with your friends in your youth and doing silly things that in retrospect you should have refrained from and actively exploiting, bullying and behaving overtly aggressive whilst being drunk. We've all seen the differences when we observe drunk men after midnight. Some men can be predatorial beasts. Most are just silly though. Look he has lied during his testimony. He down played stuff. The question is should a few white lies destroy your career. Also if he is a former beast we would need further evidence.
Brett the kegmeister is over as far as the SC is concerned. It's a big big blow to the GOP as he was a party man (pardon the pun). I don't think it's such a blow to Trump though.
This seems like an extreme statement, civil war like 1861 style. You are very intense and well read. I am not so. Indulge me. So you are saying that through decades of media coercion the poor right wing, if defeated in the mid terms, will rise up and take arms against the left, either in their own state or another. I'm probably not understanding you clearly. Can you simplify for my Anglophile brain? It's this sentence I need further clarification on?
82% of the US population is being muffled by 18% of the population because of the Senate
Thanks. Ps you and dholliday are teaching me a lot about the USA in this thread.
Why is it over? Do you know something we don't? I thought most commentators have agreed he will be sworn in anyway and soon. I agree though that it would not effect Trump much. He's seems very popular at the moment. He must be the most famous person in the world right now. I've never known in my lifetime so many peoples obsession with one person on a daily basis. Sometimes I think we'd be bored without him.
Hes lied to a senate committee on multiple occasions, according to his college roommate. Trump has now allowed a widening of FBI reach into his party days. Trump will move on to next candidate soon I would guess.
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/...-not-potus-related.94752/page-57#post-6588128
Tweet from Dave Wasserman explains it.
Regarding civil war. I don't think the midterms would do it. I am think more long term...2020 specifically. If Trump were do be defeated, he would call foul and the peaceful transition of power will not happen. Everything he's shown in his life would indicate this to be true. He is happy to divide the country because it serves him well. He cares about one person and one person alone. It's what narcissists do.
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You reckon being coy about his bevving at college would bin his nomination? Seems hard to believe - maybe in a straw-that-broke-the-camel's-back sense I guess. It's not like the next guy will be some decent old time conservative, either, and looks like there's been a huge expenditure of political capital to block Kavanaugh.
For a judge, yes. Any sort of lie under oath should be a definite no no. For a supreme court judge that gets a life appointment, even more so.
In different circumstances good luck trying to convince a court that it should be perjury because they were only ‘white lies’ . If you lie under oath there are likely to be consequences and that shouldn’t really be surprising.
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