Current Affairs General US politics (ie, not POTUS related)

[LinekersLegs]

Rittenhouse put his hands up and gave himself up right in front of the police, as they were approaching the scene. You actually think police kill civilians who put their hands up? Have you actually ever stepped into America to be making these outlandish and ignorant claims?

I live in the US and there have been multiple cases where people with their hands up have been shot, one reported on just the other day.

Christian Hall, 19, had his hands up when police fatally shot him, videos show

Authorities obscured the last 4 seconds of Christian Hall’s life in publicly released videos. New footage shows he had his hands up when troopers killed him.

www.nbcnews.com

This one in particular sticks in my mind

Shooting of Charles Kinsey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[emir]

I live in the US and there have been multiple cases where people with their hands up have been shot, one reported on just the other day.

Christian Hall, 19, had his hands up when police fatally shot him, videos show

Authorities obscured the last 4 seconds of Christian Hall’s life in publicly released videos. New footage shows he had his hands up when troopers killed him.

www.nbcnews.com

This one in particular sticks in my mind

Shooting of Charles Kinsey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You can't put your hands up with a gun in your hand, that doesn't count.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I can’t believe this is a real tweet. But it, in fact, is

We are doomed.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

He also tweeted this

JFC

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Have you heard the saying "you play stupid games and you win stupid prizes"?

Like Ashli Babbitt

And the shaman dude

 

[LinekersLegs]

You can't put your hands up with a gun in your hand, that doesn't count.

According to testimony at the trial from the policeman Rittenhouse was also touching his weapon periodically as he was walking towards him - he still had very easy access to his gun and other people in similar situations have been shot. Kinsey was entirely unarmed when he was shot.

Kenosha cops explain why they ignored Kyle Rittenhouse’s attempt to surrender after shooting

Kenosha police explain why they didn't let Kyle Rittenhouse surrender after shooting three men

www.chicagotribune.com

Moretti said Rittenhouse alternated between touching his weapon and raising his hands as he walked toward the squad car so they “weren’t quite sure” what Rittenhouse was doing. They yelled at him to “get out of the road” because he was blocking their way.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I agree mate, but it seems the prosecution couldn't prove it.

The issue is bigger than this scumbag, or the scumbags he shot, it's that country and its obsession with guns. It'll never change. Throw extra fuel to the fire like the BLM protests last year (and riots, looting etc) then add in guns and rednecks on top of that...

Big picture, you’re right.

The NRA has done wonders crating the narrative that good guys with guns stop violence, and keep people safe

When in fact guns in the hands of the general populace usually escalates situations.

It’s self fulfilling

 

[TN Toffee]

If guns didn't exist, Rittenhouse would have been a dead man; a 17 year old who had his entire life ahead of him. Now do you understand why guns are important? This Kyle Rittenhouse trial was a great advertisement of how important guns are in self-defence.

TF kind of logic is this? If guns didn’t exist, the cops never would have shot Jacob Blake, there would have been no protests, Rittenhouse would have been at home, and EVERYONE involved in this awful incident would be alive.

 

[verreauxi]

Have you heard the saying "you play stupid games and you win stupid prizes"?

Yep, applies to all religious nutcases.

 

[Wizard]

I live in the US and there have been multiple cases where people with their hands up have been shot, one reported on just the other day.

Christian Hall, 19, had his hands up when police fatally shot him, videos show

Authorities obscured the last 4 seconds of Christian Hall’s life in publicly released videos. New footage shows he had his hands up when troopers killed him.

www.nbcnews.com

This one in particular sticks in my mind

Shooting of Charles Kinsey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I wouldn’t waste your time LL. We could fill an entire thread of examples of cops in the US shooting people with their arms up. Or simply complying.

Here’s one horrible example (warning that is pretty graphic)

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[BlueTX]

If guns didn't exist, Rittenhouse would have been a dead man; a 17 year old who had his entire life ahead of him. Now do you understand why guns are important? This Kyle Rittenhouse trial was a great advertisement of how important guns are in self-defence.

Absent a gun, Rittenhouse would never have had the notion of having his Mother drive him across state lines to "defend" anything at the protests.

He was a 17-year old doofus who wanted to play at freelance crowd control. He'd have never done any such fool thing without a gun.

 

[BlueTX]

I hope the kid has big hitting lawyers calling him day and night to sue those people.

Good luck with that. He won't collect anything but nuisance payments which might cover the attorney's fees for his defense against civil suits the families of the people he shot will file against him.

 

[TN Toffee]

Absent a gun, Rittenhouse would never have had the notion of having his Mother drive him across state lines to "defend" anything at the protests.

He was a 17-year old doofus who wanted to play at freelance crowd control. He'd have never done any such fool thing without a gun.

That's the absolute most generous possible interpretation of why he went to Kenosha that night.

 

[BlueToff]

The bolded part is what Im amazed about.

How can so many people in positions of power (even the now President) and prominent figures in the media accuse a (now proven innocent) 17 year old of being:

A white supremacist / Domestic terrorist

Freely and without any consequence.

Im no fan of gun carrying (on the locals side) or arson (on the rioters side) but why were so many quick to accuse him?

Those people need to be held to account.

Well, it's mob culture but I hardly feel any sympathy for the guy. Why the hell did he feel the need to do it? (But that's the issue with America and its obsession with a law created 250 years ago).

If Biden really wanted stuff like this to stop happening, he should do what no other president has had the balls to do and scrap the second amendment or at least have the balls to go up against the NRA. I understand that'd be career suicide - maybe that's what's needed?

 

[TN Toffee]

The bolded part is what Im amazed about.

How can so many people in positions of power (even the now President) and prominent figures in the media accuse a (now proven innocent) 17 year old of being:

A white supremacist / Domestic terrorist

Freely and without any consequence.

Im no fan of gun carrying (on the locals side) or arson (on the rioters side) but why were so many quick to accuse him?

Those people need to be held to account.

I wouldn’t say the outcome of his trial “proves” he was innocent. Just that the prosecution wasn’t able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that his actions met a very narrow definition of murder. Does the verdict the jury rendered in the OJ Simpson trial 100% mean he didn’t kill two people?

The reason so many were quick to accuse him is because there was literally video of the entire incident. Then, he certainly didn’t help his public image by posing with members of a known domestic terror group while flashing white power signs in the immediate aftermath. At the end of the day, he went looking for trouble, found it, and should now count himself fortunate beyond all belief that US law has such broad definitions for what qualifies as self-defense.