Current Affairs General US politics (ie, not POTUS related)

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So can someone turn up at an abortion clinic with an AR15, provoke a few of the protestors, get into an altercation, shoot a few of them then claim self defence?

How about heading to an anti vax protest? The womens march? A Q-Anon rally?

This gives people the right to turn up at a large gathering/protest, incite violence then kill in the name of self defence

Think it's fair to say this lad is scum. It's fair to say the people he shot were/are scum. Just a lot of scum going on.
 
Whether you agree with the ruling or not, celebrating it when 2 people died is disgusting. There is no limit to how low that some people sink to. Hope karma comes for these people
2 of the people that Kyle shot dead were serial rapists. Maybe it isn't exactly disgusting.
 
What a bullshit claim. Kyle was giving out medical aid at the site of the riots and he was there to protect the businesses in Kenosha.
One of the people Kyle shot was giving out medical aid and, unlike Kyle, had medical training.
Grosskreutz, a paramedic from Milwaukee, had attended dozens of Black Lives Matter demonstrations that summer, acting as a medic and legal observer. He carried medical supplies, made livestreams of the events and wore a hat that read "paramedic."
 
That's insane, but that's the law for you.
For me, this sentence perfectly sums up the entire situation.

We can show as much dismay and disgust at the verdict as we want, but criminal law is not as clear cut as society may believe or want it to be.

Ultimately, it boiled down to the threshold where he could not legitimately argue his actions were not in self-defence, and the prosecution couldn't meet it.

At that point, they weren't able to negate his right to defend himself based on all the other evidence.
 
For me, this sentence perfectly sums up the entire situation.

We can show as much dismay and disgust at the verdict as we want, but criminal law is not as clear cut as society may believe or want it to be.

Ultimately, it boiled down to the threshold where he could not legitimately argue his actions were not in self-defence, and the prosecution couldn't meet it.

At that point, they weren't able to negate his right to defend himself based on all the other evidence.

Only in America could you grab a gun, travel to a different state and murder 3 protestors including an EMT and claim self defence. The US is one grim place

These are both true.

This boy disgusts me but give the way the law is written and the very high standard of proof the prosecution had to meet I did not think they’d be able to convict on the most serious charges.

The law is not evenly applied, never has been, if this kid is black, history says it’s a different outcome, but that’s an issue of the way the law is applied in practice. I would not be so quick as to change the law as some on my side of the fence have suggested. I’m not sure making prosecution easier is the unqualified good it seems.

That the cop was not indicted for shooting Jacob Blake 7x in the back is inexcusable and that’s what led to the unrest here.

No matter that the verdict makes sense on yge narrow legal questions, the larger points that 1) you can evidently carry a rifle around, looking for a pretext to use it (let’s be real, the kid wanted to shoot someone), and face no consequence 2) that he’s now a celebrity, these things make me sick and very afraid for my country. Please know that we are all not like this snd that there are so many good things about the USA and it’s people. But i am in despair tonight.
 
Only in America could you grab a gun, travel to a different state and murder 3 protestors including an EMT and claim self defence. The US is one grim place
It’s just madness that the part where he traveled out of state to an already tense protest, picked up a weapon of war on his way and then antagonized protestors by openly walking around with said weapon of war doesn’t factor into the equation. It seems to me that somewhere along that line terrible decisions the law should shift into “you’ve messed with the bull, now if you get the horns, that’s your fault” territory.
 
It’s just madness that the part where he traveled out of state to an already tense protest, picked up a weapon of war on his way and then antagonized protestors by openly walking around with said weapon of war doesn’t factor into the equation. It seems to me that somewhere along that line terrible decisions the law should shift into “you’ve messed with the bull, now if you get the horns, that’s your fault” territory.




I'm betting the lads who normally harp on about personal responsibility and keenly rifle through a dead person's history to find whatever dirt they can will have absolutely nothing to say here
 
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