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also, there's a whole slew of subjects that could be open to politically motivated misleading interpretations, history, civics, etc. Doesn't mean we should stop teaching them.
This reminds me of an AP Comparative Government teacher from high school. He would regularly squeeze his beer belly into a “Mao More Than Ever” t-shirt.
Great teacher though ?
 
For what it's worth, the American education system (I didn't go through it so I could be way off) seems to bury it's head in the sand when it comes to anything negative. Native American genocide, racism and slavery, the nuclear bombs dropped on Japan/Internment camps for Asian Americans, the list goes on.

This could probably be said for every education system, Ireland and the church, Britain and its shady colonial past...
Doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to teach the next generations all about what we screwed up.
You’re not too far off, though I do recall history discussions in high school where we did get into things like the trail of tears, internment camps, etc. I think it’s there but to what degree is questionable.
 
You’re not too far off, though I do recall history discussions in high school where we did get into things like the trail of tears, internment camps, etc. I think it’s there but to what degree is questionable.
We may have touched on some things throughout our education, but by and large Ruairi is right - in general, we get a very "pro-USA" view of the world in school - and don't think critically about our expansion out West and the effects of that, and I feel like the post Civil War time period for like 50 years was a black hole until World War I. Perhaps every country does this to some degree, but by and large, i can say with certainty that I didn't really get a balanced view of the world in school.
 
I'll take the bait.

What's an example of the "fair" teaching of CRT, vs what would be the "misleading" teaching of CRT?

What "ulterior message" would CRT be teaching kids?
Ok here is an example, the slave trade. A standard part of crt.

Do you now teach white people evil version of events. Or do you teach , btw both races were compliant in the slave trade?

Two different perspectives on the same very important event.
 
Ok here is an example, the slave trade. A standard part of crt.

Do you now teach white people evil version of events. Or do you teach , btw both races were compliant in the slave trade?

Two different perspectives on the same very important event.
Ghost - I don't know you, your location, your nationality, etc. Regardless of your background or identity, it's important to understand that the slave trade is not a "standard part" of CRT - slavery and the slave trade, as a fact, occurred, whether one believes that racism was and is a pervasive stain on the United States.

Claiming "both races were compliant in the slave trade" attempts to equate the roles of each, and reduce the culpability of whites.. This is utter bunk. The transatlantic slave trade would not have existed but for the demand from (first) Europe and (later) the Americas, including primarily the southern colonies. Thus the onus for this atrocity gets to be laid mostly at the feet of white Europeans and colonists / Americans. Perhaps this is what you would call the "white people evil" version - but it is the truth. The "btw" portion of your question is a "good people on both sides" attempt at ducking a moral stand.

Critical Race Theory, on the other hand, looks to study and document the pervasiveness of racism in the structures, cultures and mores of the United States. From overt practices such as red-lining and voter suppression, to more covert methods such as standardized test score standards / questions and "norming" of IQ / brain activity scans in former NFL players, racism is pervasive in the United States. The "critical" part of CRT is not designed to be critical (or negative) to the US, but rather to be a critical in an academic sense - such as a critical review of a journal article - where the objective is to look as clearly and objectively as possible at the role of racism in the history, present and future of the United States. That is the part of CRT that a large portion of the US population and media don't understand.

Added in edit: This is why most critical reviews / course writing / courses don't get taught until the college and grad school levels. People can't get past the word "critical" to understand it in the academic sense, rather than the emotional sense.
 
Silver lining, let today be a wake up call to Democrats to tone down the progressive talk, no matter how logical it is. People are scared of change. And scared in general. We need to live in reality and understand that we need to make baby steps to make the world a better place.
You might say it doesn’t have to be that way. But time and time and time and time and time and time and time and again something like tonight happens

4 years of trump and the aftermath of Trump, where his party still can’t hold him accountable, and still people vote for these clowns.
We must accept reality, and make a plan based on that. Not idealism
 
Silver lining, let today be a wake up call to Democrats to tone down the progressive talk, no matter how logical it is. People are scared of change. And scared in general. We need to live in reality and understand that we need to make baby steps to make the world a better place.
You might say it doesn’t have to be that way. But time and time and time and time and time and time and time and again something like tonight happens

4 years of trump and the aftermath of Trump, where his party still can’t hold him accountable, and still people vote for these clowns.
We must accept reality, and make a plan based on that. Not idealism
I guess. It just feels beyond disheartening to think that the we have to abandon any hope of truly meaningful progress in order to simply maintain the awful status-quo because Republicans are still able to trot out an pathetic candidate and win purely on white grievance.
 
Ghost - I don't know you, your location, your nationality, etc. Regardless of your background or identity, it's important to understand that the slave trade is not a "standard part" of CRT - slavery and the slave trade, as a fact, occurred, whether one believes that racism was and is a pervasive stain on the United States.

Claiming "both races were compliant in the slave trade" attempts to equate the roles of each, and reduce the culpability of whites.. This is utter bunk. The transatlantic slave trade would not have existed but for the demand from (first) Europe and (later) the Americas, including primarily the southern colonies. Thus the onus for this atrocity gets to be laid mostly at the feet of white Europeans and colonists / Americans. Perhaps this is what you would call the "white people evil" version - but it is the truth. The "btw" portion of your question is a "good people on both sides" attempt at ducking a moral stand.

Critical Race Theory, on the other hand, looks to study and document the pervasiveness of racism in the structures, cultures and mores of the United States. From overt practices such as red-lining and voter suppression, to more covert methods such as standardized test score standards / questions and "norming" of IQ / brain activity scans in former NFL players, racism is pervasive in the United States. The "critical" part of CRT is not designed to be critical (or negative) to the US, but rather to be a critical in an academic sense - such as a critical review of a journal article - where the objective is to look as clearly and objectively as possible at the role of racism in the history, present and future of the United States. That is the part of CRT that a large portion of the US population and media don't understand.

Added in edit: This is why most critical reviews / course writing / courses don't get taught until the college and grad school levels. People can't get past the word "critical" to understand it in the academic sense, rather than the emotional sense.
Ahh it's the forgetting reality of the story of the slave trade. For the record the vast majority of the story is of the west treating those people as property, not people. That message should never be forgotten and absolutely taught in schools.

The bunk you are talking about is the part everyone leaves out.

How do you think they slave trade came to be? Westerners didn't go into Africa and kidnap thousands of people now did they? They bought those people, from the Africans themselves. There would not have been a slave trade to begin with if their own people didn't sell them to the evil whites.

Hence my inpartial teaching viewpoint. The vast majority of the lesson is very much a evil whites story, but it shouldn't be left out that Africans were compliant , even if it was those simply in charge.

So that example is relevant because the critical side of it would weigh in both sides. If that does take place then it's fine, it's an important lesson to be told as part of our history , our meaning the world. If however that is taught in a way now that would only focus on the side you have in light of pressure from a very popular political group in America, then it has no value.

Remember it's critical, it's not lying the blame but teaching the whole story, from both sides. You can't teach one side of it and expect racism to just go away, although I would assume that before last year that may have been the case I hope.
 
Ahh it's the forgetting reality of the story of the slave trade. For the record the vast majority of the story is of the west treating those people as property, not people. That message should never be forgotten and absolutely taught in schools.

The bunk you are talking about is the part everyone leaves out.

How do you think they slave trade came to be? Westerners didn't go into Africa and kidnap thousands of people now did they? They bought those people, from the Africans themselves. There would not have been a slave trade to begin with if their own people didn't sell them to the evil whites.

Hence my inpartial teaching viewpoint. The vast majority of the lesson is very much a evil whites story, but it shouldn't be left out that Africans were compliant , even if it was those simply in charge.

So that example is relevant because the critical side of it would weigh in both sides. If that does take place then it's fine, it's an important lesson to be told as part of our history , our meaning the world. If however that is taught in a way now that would only focus on the side you have in light of pressure from a very popular political group in America, then it has no value.

Remember it's critical, it's not lying the blame but teaching the whole story, from both sides. You can't teach one side of it and expect racism to just go away, although I would assume that before last year that may have been the case I hope.


 
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