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[JimmyJeffers]

Who has accused you of being racist here?

lol

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Nobody. It's in relation to this line



Not everything is confrontational, nor should anything be defensive. A simple response to that line , I've done enough 'internet' to notice that going to racism in a discussion is usually a cop out and never needs to be mentioned unless directly relevant

You’re tying yourself in knots here and looking very silly. Really enjoying it

 

[tsubaki]

The west weren't kidnapping Africans, they were buying them. Whether you like to acknowledge it or not , it happened.

I do love how any discussion about race always ends up with an accusation of being racist , even when none has been said. I lose interest in holding a discussion if that is the go to line.

They were kidnapping Africans, both by raids themselves and by buying people who’d been kidnapped by others.

As for the racist comment, that was about the well evidenced and long established campaign by racists to suggest chattel slavery wasn’t the crime that it was, by using whataboutery, and specifically claims that black people were involved.

 

[Ghost Rider]

You’re tying yourself in knots here and looking very silly. Really enjoying it

I have only said one thing which is a fact, hard to knot an opinion when you only state one fact......

They were kidnapping Africans, both by raids themselves and by buying people who’d been kidnapped by others.

As for the racist comment, that was about the well evidenced and long established campaign by racists to suggest chattel slavery wasn’t the crime that it was, by using whataboutery, and specifically claims that black people were involved.

To keep it on topic for american education, taken from a government website in america

While Europeans owned and operated the slave ships, the work of kidnapping new victims was generally left to West Africans. Bands of slavers would roam the African countryside, preying on villagers who let their guard down.

Olaudah Equiano was abducted when he was 8 years old.

One day, when all our people were gone out to their works as usual, and only I and my dear sister were left to mind the house, two men and a woman got over our walls and in a moment seized us both, and, without giving us time to cry out, or make resistance, they stopped our mouths, and ran off with us into the nearest wood. Here they tied our hands, and continued to carry us as far as they could, till night came on, when we reached a small house where the robbers halted for refreshment, and spent the night. We were then unbound, but were unable to take any food; and, being quite overpowered by fatigue and grief, our only relief was some sleep.

It sometimes took several months to transport captives to the coast, and they often were sold and resold to several new owners along the way. Once they reached the coast, some captives were taken to slave forts or compounds, where they waited for a slave vessel to arrive. Many of these fortresses still stand on the coasts of Africa, at places like Ilmina and Goree Island, as ruined monuments to the cruel economy of years past.

Once a ship was ready, the Africans were handed over to their new captors, Europeans and Americans, who would take them on their journey to the Americas.

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/immigration/african/journey-in-chains/

there is zero point in continuing discussing an element of fact as if it was fiction instead. A waste of both our times.

Hardly a 'few' people in the continent nor should it be dismissed from the education of the subject.

 

[tsubaki]

I have only said one thing which is a fact, hard to knot an opinion when you only state one fact......


To keep it on topic for american education, taken from a government website in america


https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/immigration/african/journey-in-chains/

there is zero point in continuing discussing an element of fact as if it was fiction instead. A waste of both our times.

Hardly a 'few' people in the continent nor should it be dismissed from the education of the subject.

er - I said “they were kidnapping Africans, both by raids themselves and by buying people who’d been kidnapped by others”.

 

[Ghost Rider]

er - I said “they were kidnapping Africans, both by raids themselves and by buying people who’d been kidnapped by others”.

Like i say no point in discussing further. If you have a read of what i quoted, it gives a fair idea of how it worked within the continent, beyond that i can't really offer you anything more to explain.

 

[tsubaki]

Like i say no point in discussing further. If you have a read of what i quoted, it gives a fair idea of how it worked within the continent, beyond that i can't really offer you anything more to explain.

What you said was in line what I said though, and it wasn’t really relevant to the point anyway - no one disputes that went on, only that elevating it to an equivalence with what the slave traders were doing is misleading at best.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I have only said one thing which is a fact, hard to knot an opinion when you only state one fact......


To keep it on topic for american education, taken from a government website in america


https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/immigration/african/journey-in-chains/

there is zero point in continuing discussing an element of fact as if it was fiction instead. A waste of both our times.

Hardly a 'few' people in the continent nor should it be dismissed from the education of the subject.

You’ve posted on here and you’ve gone into a default of saying you’ve been called a racist and accused of talking fiction and it’s taking you a few posts to realise that hasn’t happened.
Been an interesting watch to be honest. The perpetually offended.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Like i say no point in discussing further. If you have a read of what i quoted, it gives a fair idea of how it worked within the continent, beyond that i can't really offer you anything more to explain.

The ultimate point is CRT doesn’t really have anything to do with the rightness or wrongness of the slave trade or whose “fault” it was. Which I guess to some people is up for debate

rather, CRT takes a critical eye to the aftermath of the slave trade in the US, and its lasting impact on our institutions which continue to this day

 

[Prevenger17]

Nobody. It's in relation to this line



Not everything is confrontational, nor should anything be defensive. A simple response to that line , I've done enough 'internet' to notice that going to racism in a discussion is usually a cop out and never needs to be mentioned unless directly relevant

He wasn't calling you racist there mate, think you should stick to your deranged half-baked arguments and what was actually said to salvage whatever shreds of credibility you have left

 

[Ghost Rider]

You’ve posted on here and you’ve gone into a default of saying you’ve been called a racist and accused of talking fiction and it’s taking you a few posts to realise that hasn’t happened.
Been an interesting watch to be honest. The perpetually offended.

He wasn't calling you racist there mate, think you should stick to your deranged half-baked arguments and what was actually said to salvage whatever shreds of credibility you have left

It would be nice if you read my replies to you rather than seemingly copy and paste into a discussion neither of you have cared to joined, other than to score internet points, prevenger especially.

For that fact I'm out with both of you , more than happy to discuss the matter at hand rather than pedantic posts that are a waste of everyone's time.

 

[Ghost Rider]

What you said was in line what I said though, and it wasn’t really relevant to the point anyway - no one disputes that went on, only that elevating it to an equivalence with what the slave traders were doing is misleading at best.

Either.....

Your original post deflecting the role of Africans and putting onus on the west kidnapping people instead was horribly miguided.

Or you have agreed with the concept I have talked about and therefore we are just going in an endless circle but talking about the same thing.

Personally , shipping your own people from all around your continent and treating them as property very much plays into the history.

At this point , no idea if we are on the same wavelength or not so not much else to talk about.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Either.....

Your original post deflecting the role of Africans and putting onus on the west kidnapping people instead was horribly miguided.

Or you have agreed with the concept I have talked about and therefore we are just going in an endless circle but talking about the same thing.

Personally , shipping your own people from all around your continent and treating them as property very much plays into the history.

At this point , no idea if we are on the same wavelength or not so not much else to talk about.

I ask again, what does the point you are trying to make, that "there were bad people on both sides of the slave trade" have to do with CRT?

 

[tsubaki]

Either.....

Your original post deflecting the role of Africans and putting onus on the west kidnapping people instead was horribly miguided.

Or you have agreed with the concept I have talked about and therefore we are just going in an endless circle but talking about the same thing.

Personally , shipping your own people from all around your continent and treating them as property very much plays into the history.

At this point , no idea if we are on the same wavelength or not so not much else to talk about.

They weren’t “shipping their own people from all over the continent” though - that role was almost exclusively performed by Europeans.

Nor were they “treating them as property”, something which again can only be understood n the context of the meaning of that word on European terms.

Your argument is terrible, and appears to be centered on the wish to blame people of African descent for the existence of chattel slavery (at least based on how you keep coming back to it). As I said, almost everyone accepts that some role was played by some local elites, but it wasn’t vital to the process. Why you are making this argument is something only you can explain, but it does sound dodgy to me.

 

[verreauxi]

Why would people expect McAuliffe and his ilk to do anything different? The top of the party is full of serial failures.

The Democrats are soooo bad at politicking. And they put up weak candidates to boot. They could be setting the narrative rather than trying to deflect or ignore the pseudo-nonsense like CRT.