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[Kurt.]

Yes you do. Assault by penetration is the terminology used for sexual assault with anything other than a penis.




No they don't. The amount of men raped by women is miniscule.

91% of rapes and sexual assaults are against females, with obviously 9% male. 99% of all perpetrators are men, meaning 0.0891% of rapes on men are by women.



As for the bolded bit, if they weren't able to access the changing rooms - there'd be none as opposed to 'very few'.

Reported rapes

 

[Sean Ashley]

I think the problem here is not actually about Trans people at all, it's about people taking advantage of the loopholes in the rules to make certain behaviours and actions possible.

It's like the old adage of "you should be able to leave your doors unlocked". Yes, you should. But you don't. Not because of "most people", but because of the few opportunist people who don't care about the rules and will do what they want.

It's awful that people have to beware because of a small minority, but that's just the way things are. And the same applies to the prison argument and the sports argument. It emboldens people with alterior motives to act a certain way and use the faux outrage and offence as a defence when challenged. If these opportunistic people know that the likelihood of even being questioned is greatly reduced, due to most people remaining silent for fear of being labelled an "ist" or a "phobe", they will use it to their advantage.

It's not Transphobia, it's common sense.

As for the Trans men argument, its a completely different scenario, and you would have to be quite disingenuous not to realise that. There's a reason why you never hear the term "Sheep in Wolfs clothing."

As mentioned before, you can't stop individuals using a system and finding ways to make it advantageous for them. But you shouldn't then make it impossible for everyone else to use that system to live a normal life.

I will use refugees for example, lets say one foreign national comes over and takes refuge, the reason not important. They then commit a heinous act should every other person claiming refuge be punished? No you know that too as does everyone else here.

But that was the mentality we saw only in May when a lie sparked national riots, when individuals tried to take over my town set fire to Mosques, damage shops, loot and threaten anyone that looks foreign to them (Including breaking into Refugee hotels). All for what a perceived risk or someone gaming the system.

 

[Ming the Merciful]

You can prove anything you want with statistics if you look at it a certain way.

Trouble is if you have the argument that it is only an insignificant percentile on one hand then it's very hard to sincerely argue that minority groups matter with the other hand.

Just a thing that really annoys me across threads and debates.

 

[d34noj]

Females rape men by forcing them to have sex with them, it happens a lot more than you think

As for the changing room guff, it is a nonsense, mate.

Mate I can guarantee it doesn't happen 'a lot more than I think'. It'll be absolute miniscule numbers, with the rest being paedophilic female teachers.

You're going to have to give me statistics for this one mate, I can quite easily give stats I presented. You're arguing numbers that are horrifically small in comparison to the number of rapes on females in changing rooms, toilets, allegedly safe spaces.

The reason trans women shouldn't be in women's safe spaces is risk mitigation. Men pose a bigger threat to women than women do to men - your argument is a bit deceptive.

 

[d34noj]

Reported rapes

Agreed.

Although do you think that evens it up at all? I'd imagine even more female rapes go unreported than male.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

You can prove anything you want with statistics if you look at it a certain way.

Trouble is if you have the argument that it is only an insignificant percentile on one hand then it's very hard to sincerely argue that minority groups matter with the other hand.

Just a thing that really annoys me across threads and debates.

It happens a lot more than you think, men do not report it, any man who has had a healthy sex life will tell you there have been times where it is close to the line regarding consent. Obviously not nearly as close as men- women number but infinitely higher than your trans in changing rooms thing. I got forced to have sex on my office floor once on an overtime saturday. I liked the girl but my boss could have walked in at any time. It was non-consensual for sure. On a weird aside, I have had more than my fair share of dodgy encounters with women, I am no model either, just seem to attract wrong uns haha

 

[Kever10]

As mentioned before, you can't stop individuals using a system and finding ways to make it advantageous for them. But you shouldn't then make it impossible for everyone else to use that system to live a normal life.

I will use refugees for example, lets say one foreign national comes over and takes refuge, the reason not important. They then commit a heinous act should every other person claiming refuge be punished? No you know that too as does everyone else here.

But that was the mentality we saw only in May when a lie sparked national riots, when individuals tried to take over my town set fire to Mosques, damage shops, loot and threaten anyone that looks foreign to them (Including breaking into Refugee hotels). All for what a perceived risk or someone gaming the system.

There are literal campaigns for women to consider all men a potential threat, but a small subset of those men being given the cover to enter female safe spaces without question is fine?

I understand it's horrible that these things happen, and that genuine, non threatening trans people may come under suspicion, but it's called safeguarding.

If my nephews needed picking up from nursery, i couldn't just go and pick them up, unless i was registered. Same goes for my girlfriend, who is their actual blood relative. It might be seen as an inconvenience in most cases, but its put in place to stop the small percentage of times it might actually be a risk.

I'm sure some people simply refuse to see the dangers in order to make it sound like a bigoted take.

Chances are, the people going into safe spaces to commit these types of crimes, are not actually going to be Trans, but they use the laws to protect them anyway.

Someone in here used an example of being a teacher, and being forced to acknowledge a brat kid using a different gender identity specifically to get a rise out the teacher, or even getting them in trouble if they refuse to play along, and its a valid point.

It's noble standing up for everyone to have these rights, and that is fine. But on the flipside, there are also the existing rights of others that are being compromised.

Like i say, it's not anti Trans, it's common sense.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

It happens a lot more than you think, men do not report it, any man who has had a healthy sex life will tell you there have been times where it is close to the line regarding consent. Obviously not nearly as close as men- women number but infinitely higher than your trans in changing rooms thing. I got forced to have sex on my office floor once on an overtime saturday. I liked the girl but my boss could have walked in at any time. It was non-consensual for sure. On a weird aside, I have had more than my fair share of dodgy encounters with women, I am no model either, just seem to attract wrong uns haha

this was actually meant for @d34noj

 

[Kurt.]

Agreed.

Although do you think that evens it up at all? I'd imagine even more female rapes go unreported than male.

Possibly… but male domestic abuse is reported far less …. So who knows the real figures

 

[Kever10]

It happens a lot more than you think, men do not report it, any man who has had a healthy sex life will tell you there have been times where it is close to the line regarding consent. Obviously not nearly as close as men- women number but infinitely higher than your trans in changing rooms thing. I got forced to have sex on my office floor once on an overtime saturday. I liked the girl but my boss could have walked in at any time. It was non-consensual for sure. On a weird aside, I have had more than my fair share of dodgy encounters with women, I am no model either, just seem to attract wrong uns haha

I agree, a prime example of this would be consensual sex whereby someone wants to stop. That would be considered rape if it was the female asking to stop, but much less frequently so if it was the male.

But back on topic, i guess the ratio is almost infinitesimal when it comes to genetic females attacking males in public toilets.

However, off topic again i guess, but i do recall a night out years ago in town, the VR bar if anyone remembers that, and a crazy girl came in to the mens toilets because the queue the womens was too long, put her foot up on the wall, and p*ssed in the urinal in front of a group of lads who promptly started cheering.

Make of that what you will.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I agree, a prime example of this would be consensual sex whereby someone wants to stop. That would be considered rape if it was the female asking to stop, but much less frequently so if it was the male.

But back on topic, i guess the ratio is almost infinitesimal when it comes to genetic females attacking males in public toilets.

However, off topic again i guess, but i do recall a night out years ago in town, the VR bar if anyone remembers that, and a crazy girl came in to the mens toilets because the queue the womens was too long, put her foot up on the wall, and p*ssed in the urinal in front of a group of lads who promptly started cheering.

Make of that what you will.

Ah, you met my wife

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Again mate, a bit disingenuous this.

A trans man can't rape anybody with his imaginary penis. Won't overpower anyone in a changing room or bathroom and will beat next to nobody in men's sports.

THIS is why nobody cares about trans men, because they're not the ones kicking up a fuss. The 5ft nothing tall Elliott Page isn't worrying anybody...

Good lord. I started typing something, but gave up. Where do you even start with this?

 

[d34noj]

Good lord. I started typing something, but gave up. Where do you even start with this?

Try at the beginning mate.

 

[Kever10]

Good lord. I started typing something, but gave up. Where do you even start with this?

 

[Ming the Merciful]

It happens a lot more than you think, men do not report it, any man who has had a healthy sex life will tell you there have been times where it is close to the line regarding consent. Obviously not nearly as close as men- women number but infinitely higher than your trans in changing rooms thing. I got forced to have sex on my office floor once on an overtime saturday. I liked the girl but my boss could have walked in at any time. It was non-consensual for sure. On a weird aside, I have had more than my fair share of dodgy encounters with women, I am no model either, just seem to attract wrong uns haha

Oh I'm certain it is ridiculously underreported in all instances and as much as you'd like that to change it won't unless there's a change in outcome and process.

I'm verging off topic here but what I'm saying is it doesn't matter what numbers are higher in a way. Either something is a risk or it isn't.

And if numbers are small then does that mean a minority doesn't matter?