Game Of Thrones Television series *may contain spoilers*
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is it possible you are all over thinking Sansa.
OK not telling John about the army coming probably helped them with an element of surprise which worked. Perhaps she did care about John but just thought he would stay alive considering he has already died once and been fine. The smile was probably because it was her involvement that was winning the battle, no one had asked her for advice and then here she is saving the day. Kinda like a maturing moment for her, for the first time she is in control of what is going on.
Plus everyone keeps glossing over sansa here. This was about her becoming lady of winter fell. It was about her taking back everything she had lost previously down to the likes of Ramsey and joffrey. For once she was fighting back on her terms not anyone else's. So John in that respect is a pawn in the play, the real power in the north is sansa now. As she has learned from all her experiences.
OK not telling John about the army coming probably helped them with an element of surprise which worked. Perhaps she did care about John but just thought he would stay alive considering he has already died once and been fine. The smile was probably because it was her involvement that was winning the battle, no one had asked her for advice and then here she is saving the day. Kinda like a maturing moment for her, for the first time she is in control of what is going on.
Plus everyone keeps glossing over sansa here. This was about her becoming lady of winter fell. It was about her taking back everything she had lost previously down to the likes of Ramsey and joffrey. For once she was fighting back on her terms not anyone else's. So John in that respect is a pawn in the play, the real power in the north is sansa now. As she has learned from all her experiences.
Also thought it was a great episode. Didn't care for the other stuff but the end chunk was fantastic and despite the inevitability of it all , still edge of your seat stuff.
its very simple don't know why people are overthinking it
If Sansa told John about the vale's army then John wouldn't be able to keep his mouth shut and he'd be goading ramsey saying his army is bigger and better. Whilst John is none the wiser at least Bolton won't get a whiff of anything suspicious based on John trying to get Ramsey to fight 1 on 1 before the battle. By John offering this it gives Ramsey the upper hand and he knows he has the bigger army (therefore he thinks he will win), John even gives his game away and says he only has 3000 men compares to ramsey's 6000 and going off about how it doesnt matter how big your army is etc...
Sansa had to keep it a secret from John so that it would be kept a secret from Ramsey, ergo Sansa can be the one who utterly humiliates Ramsey in the end and gets the last word, not John and his heroics. If i had an older half brother who couldn't keep his trap shut i'd do the same. John can't even keep his emotions in check when Rickon was a sitting duck. He'd be the worst poker player ever.
Sansa had to keep it a secret from John so that it would be kept a secret from Ramsey, ergo Sansa can be the one who utterly humiliates Ramsey in the end and gets the last word, not John and his heroics. If i had an older half brother who couldn't keep his trap shut i'd do the same. John can't even keep his emotions in check when Rickon was a sitting duck. He'd be the worst poker player ever.
Efcjake
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They are a big part of the books and another underdeveloped part of the show because of screen time and CGI budgets.
[how did Sansa know the dogs hadn't been fed , she wasn't there when Ramsey said that /SPOILER]
enjoying this series more than the last ones, it seems there might yet be a satisfactory ending to the whole plot, unlike, so i'm told, Lost.
enjoying this series more than the last ones, it seems there might yet be a satisfactory ending to the whole plot, unlike, so i'm told, Lost.
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From what I've heard, you just wait til next week. Think back to season 1
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If he does that he'd have got killed on the spot, was tryna piss Jon off so he'd fight him 1v1 (which he did)
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I am curious where they take the story from here. The whole series was leading up to this battle and predictably Starks control winterfell again. I would imagine Stansa would have to become lady of winterfell and possibly produce an heir, so maybe that is part of little fingers plan after all? But then that is long term arc rather than short term.
John is a little bit here and there now. Thew whole story was leading up to him leading the battle and dying before that. Where does he go from here? He isnt going north again to fight the walkers yet, and he can't go south. Yet if he stays where he is then there is nothing to do? Perhaps poor storytelling going on there?
Dany going to war with Baelon on her way over to westeros? Consdering she has dragons and Baelon won't expect her to attack him, that battle won't last very long with all three dragons out in the field now. Only way about it is to twist and have her turn on theon and yara (ala the mad king) or one of the dragons die in the battle with baelon. Either way not very exciting progression there.
and finally, small prediction. perhaps the reason why Lady stoneheart is not been introduced is because she is already in it, STANSA!! Make her into a tough merciless lady of winterfell from now on. Really let her character take her experiences and turn them into a strong and powerful character? It makes sense for them to do it like that, and it means she becomes a significant character in the show compared to being a bit crap before now.
John is a little bit here and there now. Thew whole story was leading up to him leading the battle and dying before that. Where does he go from here? He isnt going north again to fight the walkers yet, and he can't go south. Yet if he stays where he is then there is nothing to do? Perhaps poor storytelling going on there?
Dany going to war with Baelon on her way over to westeros? Consdering she has dragons and Baelon won't expect her to attack him, that battle won't last very long with all three dragons out in the field now. Only way about it is to twist and have her turn on theon and yara (ala the mad king) or one of the dragons die in the battle with baelon. Either way not very exciting progression there.
and finally, small prediction. perhaps the reason why Lady stoneheart is not been introduced is because she is already in it, STANSA!! Make her into a tough merciless lady of winterfell from now on. Really let her character take her experiences and turn them into a strong and powerful character? It makes sense for them to do it like that, and it means she becomes a significant character in the show compared to being a bit crap before now.
You vaped out of your skull again? Who is Baelon?
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Greyjoy? The uncle? Kinda big character in that storyline?
Oh dear, it's frazzled your memory.
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She asks Jon where Ramsey is, in the previous scene. Presumably it was Jon that put him there with the dogs.
but she didn't know the dogs hadn't been fed though, she'd left before Ramsay mentions it.obviously Jon could have told her.minor detail I know.
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