neil999
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Surely it won't be That different to how Martin would write it tho?? They can't go completely different to his vision
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And Warcraft has now increased to level 100 I thinkD&D only goes to level 20.
Kendall's Dream
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Unless I missed it, how did Sansa know for definite that the Vale were going to turn up? She's on the horse with littlefinger but maybe when she has that conversation with Jon the night before, she didn't know for definite so couldn't guarantee it for Jon..
And on you're other point, you've called the last few episodes predictable, bad writing etc so why would you think Sansa will kill Jon? It'll be the complete opposite of what you've called the writers
And on you're other point, you've called the last few episodes predictable, bad writing etc so why would you think Sansa will kill Jon? It'll be the complete opposite of what you've called the writers
tsubaki
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on top of Aaron Ramsey's head
TheBlueGibbon
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Can't believe they killed another Direwolf for that.
sageyefc
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Should probably 'spoiler' that
TheBlueGibbon
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For Aaron Ramsey's head?
sageyefc
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Woof woof
TheBlueGibbon
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It's not a real spoiler mate.
Just a joke about the wolves all being killed off.
They already have mate. Have you read the books?
neil999
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Nope...yeah but thought with battle like this would be similar to his vision
Hard to say for certain about this individual battle, because the books haven't got that far yet. But the show has deviated massively from the books over the last two to three seasons, and IMHO that is why the show has not hit the heights of its first three seasons.
On your first point: you may well be right, but it still doesn't explain why she made no mention whatsoever of the possibility at all. If she said at any point "There's a chance that Littelfinger may be heading directly to Winterfell with a large body of cavalry." Jon could have sent riders south to confirm (or refute) the presence of the Vale army and adjusted his plan to suit.
As for your point in bold: I think several factors point to this possibility. Firstly it's been signposted in earlier episodes, with both Brienne and Littelfinger making points to Sansa about how she cannot trust Jon because he isn't a full blood relation. Littlefinger urged her to seize Winterfell with the Vale army, loyal to her, rather than letting Jon do it with the Willing army loyal to him. Secondly, she simply didn't seem at all fazed by the likelihood of Jon's death in the battle. When the camera settled on her as she crested the hill with Littlefinger, as the Vale knights charged, she looked as if she felt contempt for Jon's tactical stupidity, but there was no flicker of concern. Thirdly, the Vale arrived just in time to defeat Ramsay... but not until the bulk of Jon's army had been chopped to pieces. Maybe this was deliberate? It would go some way to explaining Sansa keeping the Vale army a total secret from Jon.
I don't know, but I think she may have turned a corner in terms of who she is prepared to trust and rely upon. Maybe she's decided to trust nobody and just rely on herself... Jon seems to be an emotionally-driven man who is a poor battlefield commander, so it's not impossible that Sansa would rather have her own castle and her own army than rely on Jon to protect her and treat her well?
As for your point in bold: I think several factors point to this possibility. Firstly it's been signposted in earlier episodes, with both Brienne and Littelfinger making points to Sansa about how she cannot trust Jon because he isn't a full blood relation. Littlefinger urged her to seize Winterfell with the Vale army, loyal to her, rather than letting Jon do it with the Willing army loyal to him. Secondly, she simply didn't seem at all fazed by the likelihood of Jon's death in the battle. When the camera settled on her as she crested the hill with Littlefinger, as the Vale knights charged, she looked as if she felt contempt for Jon's tactical stupidity, but there was no flicker of concern. Thirdly, the Vale arrived just in time to defeat Ramsay... but not until the bulk of Jon's army had been chopped to pieces. Maybe this was deliberate? It would go some way to explaining Sansa keeping the Vale army a total secret from Jon.
I don't know, but I think she may have turned a corner in terms of who she is prepared to trust and rely upon. Maybe she's decided to trust nobody and just rely on herself... Jon seems to be an emotionally-driven man who is a poor battlefield commander, so it's not impossible that Sansa would rather have her own castle and her own army than rely on Jon to protect her and treat her well?
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It's mad how they've made dragons quite boring. Every problem Dany has ever had has been solved by fire or dragons or a combo of both. The utter dullard.
Why do characters in films and tv not know how to zig-zag in order to avoid something? That Rickon's death was straight out of Prometheus.
Yes, quite predictable with Rickon's aforementioned death and the Riders of Rohan charge from the Knights of the Vale. Only surprise for me was that Tormund didn't die.
Brilliant cinematography though. The start of the fight when Jon's forces charged was like the D-Day landings in Saving Private Ryan.
Made up that boring get Ramsey can't kill any more interesting/semi-interesting characters.
Where was Ghost, like?
It's up there with The Door as the best episodes of the season. Still reeling over how much of a mess they made out of the Blackfish and Arya storylines but here we are.
Why do characters in films and tv not know how to zig-zag in order to avoid something? That Rickon's death was straight out of Prometheus.
Yes, quite predictable with Rickon's aforementioned death and the Riders of Rohan charge from the Knights of the Vale. Only surprise for me was that Tormund didn't die.
Brilliant cinematography though. The start of the fight when Jon's forces charged was like the D-Day landings in Saving Private Ryan.
Made up that boring get Ramsey can't kill any more interesting/semi-interesting characters.
Where was Ghost, like?
It's up there with The Door as the best episodes of the season. Still reeling over how much of a mess they made out of the Blackfish and Arya storylines but here we are.
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