Game Of Thrones: Season 8

[Wat Tyler]

Bunch of ungrateful cry arses

 

[Osamabindiesel]

Finally watched the 2nd episode, and lots of
good-ol-fashioned walking and talking. Taking a page out of the Star Wars prequels’ book. They are still trying to wrap up all of the fan servicing fellatio before the big battle.

 

[Moomin]

THE most terrifying army the world has EVER seen. 8 seasons in the making.


And they lose in the first ACTUAL battle they are in.


Makes you wonder what the point of it all was.


And not for nothing, who thought that having 20k madmen on horses whooping and charging in to an unknown would be a good idea? They said it alllll last episode, it's a DEFENSIVE battle.

They won in Hardholme and the fist of the first man.

 

[Moomin]

started slowly but its got better , with huge twist in the last episode that no-one had predicted. its one of the only programmes that I literally cant wait for the next one to be aired

No.

It started brilliant then got worse.

Wait a minute, oh thats right. You like loud noises and no dialogue and play into the hands of the two tossers who made a Game of Thrones into a hollywood CGI action film instead of a chess match.

 

[Tree13]

Those who say there was no military sense to that / those tactics do miss the point a bit.

I mean, if you were Sansa (or any of the Northern / Vale lords, including Jon) and you have insufficient supplies for winter and an ally who you know wants to impose their rule on you using troops that are either freed slaves or the best pillagers in the business (as well as dragons), who would you put in the front line, outside the walls nearly all your troops are behind?

We've had seven seasons of being told how clever and crafty Varys and Tyrion are, and what an experienced warrior Jorah is. If you want to suggest that Sansa and the North / Vale alliance subtly influenced the battle plan in order to ensure the Dothraki and the Unsullied were almost completely wiped out, please explain why Varys, Tyrion and Jorah - all of whom are utterly committed to Danaerys - would agree to such a plan?

The Dothraki charge was written that way for the sole purpose of creating the impressive visual of all the flaming swords winking into nothingness at a distance. It LOOKED amazing, and produced a strong feeling of dread... but it was logically ridiculous.

The Unsullied staying outside the single line of stakes and the trench was written that way for the sole purpose of illustrating how brave and disciplined they are in the face of overwhelming odds. It made us feel deeply for Greyworm, who sacrificed many of his own troops against his will, but it was logically ridiculous.

The writers needed the Dothraki and the Unsullied removed from the equation ahead of the final clash with Cersei, because "The Spoils of War" established that the Lannister army is simply no match whatsoever for the Dothraki, so if the Dothraki AND the Unsullied were left largely intact (with two dragons, the Knights of the Vale and the remains of the armies of the North and the Riverlands providing support) to face the Lannister army then the end result is entirely predictable.

 

[ClausThomsen]

We've had seven seasons of being told how clever and crafty Varys and Tyrion are, and what an experienced warrior Jorah is. If you want to suggest that Sansa and the North / Vale alliance subtly influenced the battle plan in order to ensure the Dothraki and the Unsullied were almost completely wiped out, please explain why Varys, Tyrion and Jorah - all of whom are utterly committed to Danaerys - would agree to such a plan?

The Dothraki charge was written that way for the sole purpose of creating the impressive visual of all the flaming swords winking into nothingness at a distance. It LOOKED amazing, and produced a strong feeling of dread... but it was logically ridiculous.

The Unsullied staying outside the single line of stakes and the trench was written that way for the sole purpose of illustrating how brave and disciplined they are in the face of overwhelming odds. It made us feel deeply for Greyworm, who sacrificed many of his own troops against his will, but it was logically ridiculous.

The writers needed the Dothraki and the Unsullied removed from the equation ahead of the final clash with Cersei, because "The Spoils of War" established that the Lannister army is simply no match whatsoever for the Dothraki, so if the Dothraki AND the Unsullied were left largely intact (with two dragons, the Knights of the Vale and the remains of the armies of the North and the Riverlands providing support) to face the Lannister army then the end result is entirely predictable.

Correct. There's no way such a large number would be sacrificed in the knowledge that they then could become opposing soldiers for the Night's King. A little bit more thought and the battle could have comfortably removed the Unsullied and Dothraki from the equation - Unsullied being the first line to engage and a Dothraki cavalry charge getting wiped out by a dragon or naturally getting whittled away in battle due to numbers.

An enjoyable visual spectacle that doesn't bear thinking about too much and the CGI dragons fighting another CGI dragon just looked a bit rubbish when compared to them lighting up infantry and the like. Also very odd how sparsely defended the battlements and machicolations were with huge gaps between defenders.

Shame really as the initial tension was brilliantly done and there were some very good moments such as Arya going all Metal Gear Solid in the library.

 

[McBain]

If Game of Thrones was a character on Game of Thrones it would be Ned Stark.

Gets all the way to the end of the season before completely losing his head.

 

[Yarrgh]

If Game of Thrones was a character on Game of Thrones it would be Ned Stark.

Gets all the way to the end of the season before completely losing his head.

And the fans would be Jon Snow because they know nothing.

 

[RomanReigns]

and i would be hot pie

 

[tsubaki]

We've had seven seasons of being told how clever and crafty Varys and Tyrion are, and what an experienced warrior Jorah is. If you want to suggest that Sansa and the North / Vale alliance subtly influenced the battle plan in order to ensure the Dothraki and the Unsullied were almost completely wiped out, please explain why Varys, Tyrion and Jorah - all of whom are utterly committed to Danaerys - would agree to such a plan?

The Dothraki charge was written that way for the sole purpose of creating the impressive visual of all the flaming swords winking into nothingness at a distance. It LOOKED amazing, and produced a strong feeling of dread... but it was logically ridiculous.

The Unsullied staying outside the single line of stakes and the trench was written that way for the sole purpose of illustrating how brave and disciplined they are in the face of overwhelming odds. It made us feel deeply for Greyworm, who sacrificed many of his own troops against his will, but it was logically ridiculous.

The writers needed the Dothraki and the Unsullied removed from the equation ahead of the final clash with Cersei, because "The Spoils of War" established that the Lannister army is simply no match whatsoever for the Dothraki, so if the Dothraki AND the Unsullied were left largely intact (with two dragons, the Knights of the Vale and the remains of the armies of the North and the Riverlands providing support) to face the Lannister army then the end result is entirely predictable.

Jorah is from the north and his incentive for years was to get home, Tyrion was already conflicted about Dany (don't forget he opposed her initial plan of how to invade, which was to storm King's Landing) and Varys isn't a military man anyway. None of them are experts whose advice would be without significant influence from who they are and who their loyalty is to, nor is it guaranteed that they would side with Dany against anyone else - in fact if you wanted to gather the group of people who they'd be most likely to side with against Dany, then all of those who were still alive were in that castle (Jaime for Tyrion, Lyanna and Sam for Jorah, Tyrion for Varys).

Besides, the beauty of such a plan (if it was a plan) is that large parts of it make sense. The Dothraki are not a defensive force; we have never seen them act like that in the books or the show. There isn't really any plan in which they are not outside the walls on horseback, which means that the only question is when they attack and based on the show at least these are not patient men who do what their real-world counterparts did (ie the Mongols, Scythians and Parthians with their feigned retreats and killing from distance) - we have only ever seen them charge in regardless, which is what they did in this battle.

As for the Unsullied, they are also the only ones that could be relied upon to hold the outside of the defences with any hope of them not breaking; if they had to have someone hold on for as long as possible to allow the rest of those outside to retreat inside the walls then they are the only option.

 

[Jimishorts]

Is anybody else, not really bothered?

This has gone from ‘must watch tv’ too i’ll watch it next week.

 

[RomanReigns]

Is anybody else, not really bothered?

This has gone from ‘must watch tv’ to i’ll watch it next week.

im still bothered

and i think most people still are

 

[Jimishorts]

Really bothered? Or just the fact that I’ve watched seven seasons and it’s finishing soon?

Seriously. Monday’s used to be my favourite day of the week to catch up but now.

Meh

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[Tree13]

Jorah is from the north and his incentive for years was to get home, Tyrion was already conflicted about Dany (don't forget he opposed her initial plan of how to invade, which was to storm King's Landing) and Varys isn't a military man anyway. None of them are experts whose advice would be without significant influence from who they are and who their loyalty is to, nor is it guaranteed that they would side with Dany against anyone else - in fact if you wanted to gather the group of people who they'd be most likely to side with against Dany, then all of those who were still alive were in that castle (Jaime for Tyrion, Lyanna and Sam for Jorah, Tyrion for Varys).

Besides, the beauty of such a plan (if it was a plan) is that large parts of it make sense. The Dothraki are not a defensive force; we have never seen them act like that in the books or the show. There isn't really any plan in which they are not outside the walls on horseback, which means that the only question is when they attack and based on the show at least these are not patient men who do what their real-world counterparts did (ie the Mongols, Scythians and Parthians with their feigned retreats and killing from distance) - we have only ever seen them charge in regardless, which is what they did in this battle.

As for the Unsullied, they are also the only ones that could be relied upon to hold the outside of the defences with any hope of them not breaking; if they had to have someone hold on for as long as possible to allow the rest of those outside to retreat inside the walls then they are the only option.

Mate, the unrealistically huge flaws in the battle plan have been extensively dissected all over the internet. I'm not going to patiently list it all for you again. It was a bobbins episode due to the bobbins writing - if you feel differently good luck to you.