Game Of Thrones: Season 8

[Yarrgh]

Episode 4 leaked.

 

[riddick]

Really bothered? Or just the fact that I’ve watched seven seasons and it’s finishing soon?

Seriously. Monday’s used to be my favourite day of the week to catch up but now.

Meh

Im getting through it because it's inevitably going to be spoiled for me.

 

[sageyefc]

Just read the leaks, what an absolute shambles these writers have made of it

 

[Deckard2049]

Just read the leaks, what an absolute shambles these writers have made of it

This. Anyone defending last weeks episode needs to accept the truth. D and D have absolutely messed this up. Shame... shame.... shame

 

[tsubaki]

Mate, the unrealistically huge flaws in the battle plan have been extensively dissected all over the internet. I'm not going to patiently list it all for you again. It was a bobbins episode due to the bobbins writing - if you feel differently good luck to you.

ah, well if the internet has spoken then I guess all debate has been settled

 

[Osamabindiesel]

Well, at least I was warned that I am now watching a comedy. Thanks lads

 

[Hickson9]

Jorah is from the north and his incentive for years was to get home, Tyrion was already conflicted about Dany (don't forget he opposed her initial plan of how to invade, which was to storm King's Landing) and Varys isn't a military man anyway. None of them are experts whose advice would be without significant influence from who they are and who their loyalty is to, nor is it guaranteed that they would side with Dany against anyone else - in fact if you wanted to gather the group of people who they'd be most likely to side with against Dany, then all of those who were still alive were in that castle (Jaime for Tyrion, Lyanna and Sam for Jorah, Tyrion for Varys).

Besides, the beauty of such a plan (if it was a plan) is that large parts of it make sense. The Dothraki are not a defensive force; we have never seen them act like that in the books or the show. There isn't really any plan in which they are not outside the walls on horseback, which means that the only question is when they attack and based on the show at least these are not patient men who do what their real-world counterparts did (ie the Mongols, Scythians and Parthians with their feigned retreats and killing from distance) - we have only ever seen them charge in regardless, which is what they did in this battle.

As for the Unsullied, they are also the only ones that could be relied upon to hold the outside of the defences with any hope of them not breaking; if they had to have someone hold on for as long as possible to allow the rest of those outside to retreat inside the walls then they are the only option.

A sensible strategy would have been to hold the Dothraki half a mile back behind the Castle.

Then have them attack the flanks of the Dead once they have been slowed down by fortified defences (lines of pits, stakes, caltrops and fire trenches) that are all within the range of supporting artillery.

The artillery is screened by the Unsullied and have further archer support from the Castle walls.

 

[tsubaki]

A sensible strategy would have been to hold the Dothraki half a mile back behind the Castle.

Then have them attack the flanks of the Dead once they have been slowed down by fortified defences (lines of pits, stakes, caltrops and fire trenches) that are all within the range of supporting artillery.

The artillery is screened by the Unsullied and have further archer support from the Castle walls.

we are talking about defending a medieval castle against a horde of undead led by magical creatures that can raise those of your army who perish, and your side is using non-gunpowder weapons and two dragons

there isn't "a sensible strategy" here

 

[Hickson9]

we are talking about defending a medieval castle against a horde of undead led by magical creatures that can raise those of your army who perish, and your side is using non-gunpowder weapons and two dragons

there isn't "a sensible strategy" here

You don't frontal charge light cavalry directly in to massed infantry.

It is a fantasy show but things like that are still rather jarring in the moment for anyone familiar with military history, tactics and plain common sense.

 

[tsubaki]

all debates over the battle tactics to be used against the dead aside, I think everyone can agree that ep.4 was absolutely rubbish

 

[Alan0401]

They're actually about to ruin 7 great seasons with this aren't they? Half way there anyway.

 

[Goat]

Spoiler: It

Is utter rubbish

 

[TraffordBlue]

all debates over the battle tactics to be used against the dead aside, I think everyone can agree that ep.4 was absolutely rubbish

Preferred it to the last episode myself. Obviously not as tense but it wasn't meant to be, and it set up the next part of the story fairly well.

Was glad at least a couple of characters didn't escape certain death in ridiculous circumstances like so many did in ep 3 too.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

What have they done! Not content with just letting standards slip they're turning the show into stright up trash with only a few episodes to go. Utterly horrendous. I honestly never thought it would get this bad. Genuinely gutted to see how low it's sunk.

 

[chewee]

What have they done! Not content with just letting standards slip they're turning the show into stright up trash with only a few episodes to go. Utterly horrendous. I honestly never thought it would get this bad. Genuinely gutted to see how low it's sunk.

Tried my best, sat on the fence until the post battle episode was out the way.

The writers now seem obsessed with weaving big shocks into the series quickfire rather than letting the story breath. The smaller series length is killing the flow. Too much to digest per episode.