dholliday
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retirement by many accounts brings with it a new lease of life, new energy.
hope you find that, mate
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hope you find that, mate
Yes, didn’t you?
The man was inciting hatred on a daily basis.
Disgusting that it took so long to ban him. Damage had already been done by then.
tsubaki
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The rigged system isn’t designed to fight “the left”, it’s designed to retain power. Blair got elected because he wasn’t a threat to it; if winning means not being a threat to it either then what is the point?
dholliday
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a lot of people in this thread wondering what damage woke-politics does to society, here's another example from the US Military, in short it breeds distrust between groups:
"we’re hearing reports of plummeting morale, growing mistrust between the races and the sexes where none existed just six months ago, and unexpected separations and retirements based on these trainings alone,”
clarion.causeaction.com
if anyone's not seen it yet, here is the US army's latest recruitment ad:
"we’re hearing reports of plummeting morale, growing mistrust between the races and the sexes where none existed just six months ago, and unexpected separations and retirements based on these trainings alone,”
Whistleblowers Explain How Biden's Woke 'Extremism' Training Is Tearing the Military Apart
On Thursday, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) revealed the reports of many whistleblowers inside the armed forces who have complained that the military’s training to combat “extremism” has enabled superior…
clarion.causeaction.com
if anyone's not seen it yet, here is the US army's latest recruitment ad:
a lot of people in this thread wondering what damage woke-politics does to society, here's another example from the US Military, in short it breeds distrust between groups:
"we’re hearing reports of plummeting morale, growing mistrust between the races and the sexes where none existed just six months ago, and unexpected separations and retirements based on these trainings alone,”
Whistleblowers Explain How Biden's Woke 'Extremism' Training Is Tearing the Military Apart
On Thursday, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) revealed the reports of many whistleblowers inside the armed forces who have complained that the military’s training to combat “extremism” has enabled superior…
if anyone's not seen it yet, here is the US army's latest recruitment ad:
This bit made me laugh.
"rewrite America’s history as a fundamentally racist and evil nation.”
So they are basically 'rewriting' history to show the truth
dholliday
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evil is relative. dropping the bombs on japan was evil, but then so was what the nazis did to jewish folk.This bit made me laugh.
"rewrite America’s history as a fundamentally racist and evil nation.”
So they are basically 'rewriting' history to show the truth
slavery was evil, but that was practiced by many other nations too: an evil product of its time.
limiting equal rights before the 1960's was evil too, thankfully corrected since then.
many more examples of evil racism, but is the entire nation fundamentally so? and what damage might we do if we push that idea?
that's the crux...woke-politics is causing more damage than it is healing. banning it might seem sensible, but may also go against free-speech ideals, however damaging.
would you support uni courses that promote the idea the Confederacy was a powerful moral good for America?
Evil is relative but I would say that history states that it can be argued that the nation is fundamentally racist. Mainly due to the examples you have stated, these human rights come from the government and therefore the country can be argued as being racist from the top down, especially historically.
If I had the time I would read the 50+ books that my girlfriend has on the subject and she has certainly educated me on a lot of points (I would definitely consider myself the dumb one in the relationship, I can educate her on the history of most sports and she can educate me on the history of American racism
). I would also point out that she is American so it is not just theory with her.The bold bit is the crux of this thread and in my opinion the only ideal free speech should carry is 'Free speech is a right that every person should be allowed to be exercised but with that right comes responsibility". If that comment promotes violence and/or hatred to another person, because of their skin colour, their race, their religion, etc. should be called out and their right for free speech considered.
To answer your last point, I would agree with any course, lecture or any other educational situation promoting any idea as long as it came across as educational with valid points, regardless of whether I believed it. However, if it was run by just some random bible belt American with warped views as to why they are morally better than everybody else then I would have to say I would not support it.
dholliday
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good post, wandy. on the last bit we can also say of many CRT-lecturers, especially the believing they're 'morally better' bit.
Either we allow them all, or we have to set some limits: a pro-slavery uni course, no matter how presented, would 100% be damaging to the country and its people. Likewise an anti-white course. Both should be banned.
Many lawmakers are realising that quite a few of these CRT courses have anti-white sentiments and agendas, barely-hidden behind a holier-than-thou woke-cloak.
Saying that, the americans deffo need something to teach them of the evils of history. As a German i've seen the benefits of being painfully aware of the history of the land, tho' also here it is being overcooked and overwrought now.
There's a balance to be found, it looks like by banning CRT the lawmakers are attempting to find that balance. As long as unis still provide more dry, less emotionally-driven, historical courses than i'd say it's the right move.
moar here:
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You all getting Astra Zeneca?
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Of course.....
dholliday
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Russell Brand feeling the effects of cancel culture and the new limits on free speech by having his videos demonetised by youtube, despite over 3m subscribers and tens-of-thousands of comments signifying a potential large market for ad-makers.
This is a clue that the war on free speech is about the only thing more influential in the world than money: that's power.
Power over speech, power over thinking.
Russell i don't find that funny, and he does go on a bit, but in this recent video's first 6 minutes he touches on vaccine-conspiracies, Qanon maybe not so crazy and how Trump Derangement Syndrome has affected critical thinking.
Direct link to the bit where he mentions the New York Times unwilling to give an inch to free thought:
the rest of the vid concerns Cummings and is a bit all over the place, but first 8 minutes or so reflect a lot of our discussion on here.
This is a clue that the war on free speech is about the only thing more influential in the world than money: that's power.
Power over speech, power over thinking.
Russell i don't find that funny, and he does go on a bit, but in this recent video's first 6 minutes he touches on vaccine-conspiracies, Qanon maybe not so crazy and how Trump Derangement Syndrome has affected critical thinking.
Direct link to the bit where he mentions the New York Times unwilling to give an inch to free thought:
the rest of the vid concerns Cummings and is a bit all over the place, but first 8 minutes or so reflect a lot of our discussion on here.
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Getting Moderna myself.
They started using Astra over here. Most police, firefighters, health workers and teachers got the first dose before the govt decided to stop using it. They wanted to give a different vaccine for the second dose but most recipients have demanded to have the AZ. It's a mess. Nobody seems to know what they're doing.
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