Fellaini wants to leave Everton?

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Brennan91 said:
Wrong. Arteta was on £70k before he left, Fellaini is _certainly_ on more than that.

Honestly, you really think he'd stay at Everton and agree a FIVE YEAR deal worth only £70k a week when there were top clubs sniffing around ? His dad has been telling him to leave for years.
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where do you get the figures from? we would have to pay baines, jags, heitinga, jelavic, pienaar on near enough the same wouldnt we?
 
tim-cahill-legend said:
where do you get the figures from? we would have to pay baines, jags, heitinga, jelavic, pienaar on near enough the same wouldnt we?
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Not at all mate.

The difference with Fellaini compared to Heitinga, Jelavic, Pienaar is that they're not worth nearly as much to the club in the long run as Fellaini is. Not only is he arguably our best player, he's also our biggest asset in terms of a future sale. You could sell Pienaar, Heitinga and Jags and you probably wouldn't get as much as you would from selling Felli alone.

£90k a week to nail him on to a long term deal which either guarantees his service or pushes his sale price up is a win win for the club.
 
Tree13 said:
Of course it did, in each instance. Arteta made it clear he wanted to leave, and had he been on a shorter contract Arsenal would have offered less and we would have accepted less; Yobo wanted out and we wanted him gone, had he not had multiple years left on his contract we would have probably accepted £500,000. Rodwell was £12m rising to £18m - do you think we would have got that if he was approaching his final year of a contract? Cahill was physically at the end of the road so once again we would have got virtually nowt if he'd ALSO been at the tail-end of a contract.


international Caps and age-wise, yes Song is the most similar. He's also got comparable prem experience. But he is exclusively a defensive mid, lacking Fellaini's goalscoring record and positional versatility (Felli has scored 22 goals in all competitions for Everton, in 140 games. Song has 10 goals in 204 games), and that attracts a premium. I would say that there is nothing that suggests Martinez is worth more than Song, but he went for £32m and i see no reason why Felli is not worth at least that if not more, given his body of work to date.

Premier league experience is important, as another poster pointed out, because it illustrates that he can play consistently at a high level in a league that is widely accepted to be the most physically demanding.


And how does any of that mean he's not a fair yardstick to hold up when discussing an acceptable transfer fee for Fellaini?



Last line first: Martinez and Modric went for virtually the same price, in direct contradiction to your belief.

I agree that Kenwright and Moyes have no track record for dragging a transfer out in the manner described, but there is the possibility of more than one team bidding which would drive the price up a bit. And Moyes has shown signs this summer of developing a different approach to transfer business.

£49M for Ibra and Silva.... one is a 30 year old striker, the other a 27 year old centre half. Neither are a direct comparison to a 24/25 year old six foot four inch goalscoring midfielder. I'm not suggesting we WILL get £40m, I'm saying that by ASKING for £40m we could conceivably attract a fee of £32m to £36m, which would represent sound business. If we only ask for £30m, we could easily find ourselves selling at £24m to £26m.

If a relatively untried Martinez is worth £32m, and Modric at three years older, physically less impressive and having scored less goals than Felli in the same number of seasons (both came to England in 2008/09 season: Modric scored 17 in four seasons, Felli scored 20) is worth £32m, then isn't Felli worth arguably more than either of them?
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Unless the players were in the final year of their contract it wouldn't have mattered whether they had two, three, four or even five years left to run.

Song provided 11 assists for Arsenal last year! We use Fellaini behind the striker because we have few other options. Chelsea or Real wouldn't use him there, so to them he's just a defensive midfielder.

Martinez can play in midfield or at centreback, he's Spanish, he was a key member of Bilbao's run to the Europa League final and he's only a year younger than Fellaini. His goalscoring record isn't far short of Felli's either. His pedigree says winner. How much experience does our man have of European club football? 13 European games in 8 years.

What is the different transfer approach that Moyes has adopted? We snatched City's hand off. Why was it kept so quiet? Did we accept their first offer? Why didn't we try and trigger an auction?

PSG can have anybody that they want and Milan could have asked as much as they wanted for the pair. Prices simply aren't as inflated as they were a few years ago. Hazard was perhaps the most wanted player of this window and was on the shopping list of Chelsea, United, City and Arsenal at least. How could we possibly hope to achieve more than the £32m he went for unless there are several teams in the running?

How is Martinez "relatively untried" given that he's played over 200 games for Bilbao, he has about twice as many european appearances as Fellaini and he's been in the Spain squad for over 2 years?

I think Martinez and Modric are probably both slightly over-valued but they're viewed as cultured players that major sides wanted desperately to sign. If Real weren't interested in paying £32m for one of their own to play alongside Alonso or Ramos, why would they pay it for someone who they would only use next to Alonso? Similarly, if Chelsea decided that they didn't want to persue their interest in Modric for £32m, why would they stump up more for someone who wouldn't link up play in behind Torres but would most likely sit in front of the back four to break up play?
 
billycopper said:
Unless the players were in the final year of their contract it wouldn't have mattered whether they had two, three, four or even five years left to run.

Song provided 11 assists for Arsenal last year! We use Fellaini behind the striker because we have few other options. Chelsea or Real wouldn't use him there, so to them he's just a defensive midfielder.

Martinez can play in midfield or at centreback, he's Spanish, he was a key member of Bilbao's run to the Europa League final and he's only a year younger than Fellaini. His goalscoring record isn't far short of Felli's either. His pedigree says winner. How much experience does our man have of European club football? 13 European games in 8 years.

What is the different transfer approach that Moyes has adopted? We snatched City's hand off. Why was it kept so quiet? Did we accept their first offer? Why didn't we try and trigger an auction?

PSG can have anybody that they want and Milan could have asked as much as they wanted for the pair. Prices simply aren't as inflated as they were a few years ago. Hazard was perhaps the most wanted player of this window and was on the shopping list of Chelsea, United, City and Arsenal at least. How could we possibly hope to achieve more than the £32m he went for unless there are several teams in the running?

How is Martinez "relatively untried" given that he's played over 200 games for Bilbao, he has about twice as many european appearances as Fellaini and he's been in the Spain squad for over 2 years?

I think Martinez and Modric are probably both slightly over-valued but they're viewed as cultured players that major sides wanted desperately to sign. If Real weren't interested in paying £32m for one of their own to play alongside Alonso or Ramos, why would they pay it for someone who they would only use next to Alonso? Similarly, if Chelsea decided that they didn't want to persue their interest in Modric for £32m, why would they stump up more for someone who wouldn't link up play in behind Torres but would most likely sit in front of the back four to break up play?
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So they could have said HOW MUCH FOR THE PAIR ?
 
Moyes took the risk and plumped £15 mill. Good on him.
If any player wants out, so be it, RVP pushed a situation through a month ago. So what, Wenger got good money, United got a player and the world spins.
Everton do no start and finish with Fellaini, Rooney or Arteta. We survived Lineker, Ball, Jeffers, Lescott, Speed, Gravesen, Ferguson, and a whole host of others. Football players do not last forever, hopefully the club will. Make a player, sign a player, sell a player... it is a circus. Wheres the bread...
 
TX Bill said:
Cool.

Fellaini now wants to leave.

No problem.

Whoever is willing to fork over 45M can have him. Easy peasy.
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If Zenit payed £35m for Witsel, surely Fellaini could go for £40m-ish. But, I would hate to see him go, even for that money. The lad is absolutely boss and could fit into any side in the world, and we don't have an inherent right to keep him. Imagine how Liege fans feel, too. Just annoyed that he has, apparently, said it in public.
 
i wonder if he had had a good game against west brom and we had won and been there or thereabouts top of the table, whether he would have made those comments?
 
Brennan91 said:
Fair point that mate.

It's all rough guess work really, but i really don't see a figure of £80k a week plus being outlandish at all.
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Not sure, wasn't it widely accepted that such high wages for all of our players just weren't that sustainable? Arteta was around 60k a week (and we had to get him off the books), we weren't willing to offer Pienaar the same amount before he left to Tottenham, etc. I don't think we have an official wage structure in place, but I don't think we've ever paid that much for a single player.
 
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