Everton Youth Teams Thread

Just read back through this thread and given what I've read about Lees, very impressive. Jones looked impressive when he came on .. didn't see who went to LB after Mellon was subbed.
On paper it looked like a straight swap , two FBs off two FBs on, so I assumed Jones went to RB as you indicate and James Yates went to LB. Although he is normally a RB I seem to recall he played part of a game at LB after Connolly switched inside, maybe a pre season game and not a PL u21 one.
 
we're a premier league club and they can't afford it, is a little embarrassing, just make it subscription based.

Another attempt at being negative about the club you support, with no knowledge of the facts. Have you any clue as to the cost of setting up an on location broadcast and broadcasting live for around 2 hours? How many staff, engineers, etc are involved? I thought not.
 
Another attempt at being negative about the club you support, with no knowledge of the facts. Have you any clue as to the cost of setting up an on location broadcast and broadcasting live for around 2 hours? How many staff, engineers, etc are involved? I thought not.

There's something new and cheap called the interweb......with a videocam I think they call it.
 
Some observations from last night.

Lovely evening for a game of footie. Full compliment of coaching staff & management present (inc. Martinez).

3-0 flattered slightly though we were defo good for the win. We played a 4-4-2 formation. Not sure what formation Preston played, possibly 4-3-3.

Team:

Hewelt - GK - efficient, did what he needed to do, think his distribution could be better / quicker.
Lees - RB - coped well under 1st. half pressure, not much got passed him, got forward to good effect.
Mellon - LB - not sure about him, struck me as being mouthy and not a lot else.
Ledson - CM - first time I've seen him. Cracking player, great box-to-box energy with an eye for a probing pass. I'd give him a run in the cups and unless McCarthy picks up his game, think about introducing him (possibly as sub) in the PL. He has the torso of a man but the inside leg measurement of a 10 y/o.
Pennington - CB - good, solid game. Big lad who gets stuck in, good energy and pace, vocal. Good CB.
Browning - CB - liked him since I first saw him against Utd. Showed great distribution last night, could be a monster if he could apply it for 90 mins. Put in 1 cracking, crunching tackle midway through the 2nd. half.
Grant - RM - played better than the mini derby. He had a decent game, took his goal well.
Walsh - CM - 2nd. time I've seen him and me likey. Regardless of his diminutive size, gets stuck in, distributed the ball well, not afraid to shoot, good corners, free kicks etc .. future No. 10 ? based on what I've seen so far= yes.
McAleney - F - 3rd. time I've seen him and IMO does not meet some of the hype. Decent enough but not ready for the 1st team. Lost everything in the air (granted against a significantly taller defender), trots around like Pepe le Pew and left the pitch wih barely a hair out of place.
Rodriguez - F - given time I think he'll do okay. Slight build so not sure if he'll stand up to roughhouse defending. Few good runs, few mistakes.
Henin - LM = 1st time I've seen him and was impressed. Showed good, close skills, not afraid to take a man on, made a few mistakes / lost possession etc but for me the pluses far outweighed the minuses.

Couple of Preston lads shone for me - Heaton @ CB and James-Robinson in the midfield.

Never going to make it unfortunately.
 
Thought this an interesting critique on Liverpool's approach to loans and some of the problems that can occur with the current system especially as applied to players "stockpiled" that were previously getting first team football at their original clubs.
http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2015/09/liverpool-loanees-the-reds-on-borrowed-time/?wt=5
Chelsea Technical Director Michael Emenalo said last year when he was asked about Chelsea’s loan policy: “We think this is the best way to go. We identified that for young players, the ages of 18 to 21 are the most difficult time as they wonder if they are good enough for the Chelsea first team and what is next for them….We felt it is better for them at that age to go on loan to somewhere where they get visibility and good competition. For psychological and physical reasons that is the best thing to do at that age.”

Now I know this isn’t Liverpool. But it’s an interesting insight into the mind of those controlling the destiny of a young footballer. The first part I find very frustrating when we are often talking about foreign players who haven’t come through the academy. Instead of buying them and then wondering if they are good enough, and what is next for them, why not just leave them where they are? Presumably that club were doing a perfectly good job with them if the player managed to catch your eye. They might have even had a plan involving putting them in their first team. They might have even been in their first team. So leave him there until he’s good enough to get into yours. Instead of throwing a load of money at him, promising the world and then wondering what the hell to do with him during this ‘difficult time’.

Then he talks about visibility. What does he mean by visibility? Does the manager of a football team need to see him play for another club to monitor his progress? Can’t he just watch him play for the Under-21s? Doesn’t having him at your football club actually make him more visible to you? Or are they already talking about selling him on for a profit and making him more visible to buyers?

The last part is interesting, too. Talking about what is ‘psychologically and physically’ the best thing for a young player. Is moving a young player around different countries what is ‘psychologically’ best for them or is it keeping them in a settled environment? Are we talking about their welfare as human beings here or just footballers? Doesn’t one link into the other anyway?
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Ilori, along with Teixeira, caught our eye playing for a Sporting Lisbon development team that gave Liverpool a bit of a thumping. He made his debut for the Sporting Lisbon first team aged 18 and had played 12 times, both in the league and in Europe, before Liverpool paid £7million for him.

They then, as Michael Emenalo might describe it, wondered what on earth to do with him at this ‘difficult time’. Because apparently leaving him at Sporting Lisbon and seeing how he got on wasn’t an option. So we had a look at him for four months and presumably let him get settled in a house and then moved him to Granada for the sake of nine first team games of football.

The next season it was deemed that the best place for him to learn how to play for Liverpool was Bordeaux (I assume we checked if he could speak French first), where he played 12 times. Then he came home and we wondered what to do with him again. Before sending him to Aston Villa and telling them if they liked them they could keep him, as we’d tried nothing and we were all out of ideas.

I’m not particularly angry about us letting him go. It’s probably for the best now. I just can’t help but feel the whole thing has been a rubbish experience for the lad. He could have stayed at Sporting Lisbon, a perfectly good football club, and played over 50 times for them by now. He would probably be a much better footballer than he is now for the experience. The kind of defender who Liverpool might be looking at for the first team.
 
Another attempt at being negative about the club you support, with no knowledge of the facts. Have you any clue as to the cost of setting up an on location broadcast and broadcasting live for around 2 hours? How many staff, engineers, etc are involved? I thought not.
The fact lower league clubs can afford it, and other teams in or league can afford it should be all that matters, we're a premier league club mate, not some league one club.

I know you love the board mate and will try to defend them at any opportunity, but get over it they're cheapskates and fraudsters, that's all their is to it.
 
Apart from in games later that season, and the season after when he was getting starts in his favourite position away at Arsenal and Spurs. Barkley was a kid under Moyes and Moyes put him in at 17 into the first team just having come out from a triple leg break. Last season at the age of 21 showed that Barkley still was adjusting, it is only now he is starting to look consistent yet people want to knock Moyes for not playing an 18 year old every game.

Yeah. Funny the way in 12/13 season moyes wouldnt play him at home to norwich when gibson, neville and mirallas were all unavailable and gave a half retired tommy hitszelperger a game instead, but happy to throw him in at the deep end away to arsenal (but then drop him for osman a few days later).

Another huge show of faith was to play him out of position on the left side against spurs, pitting him toe to toe with the best player in the country at the time.

A couple of Barkley's other scant cameos that season were sub appearances in games we were chasing like Chelsea at home and stoke away.

But the games against relegation fodder at home oh no ross wasnt ready for them ...

It was as if moyes wanted to prove a point against the toughest opposition that he wasnt ready, he set him up to fail
 
Yeah. Funny the way in 12/13 season moyes wouldnt play him at home to norwich when gibson, neville and mirallas were all unavailable and gave a half retired tommy hitszelperger a game instead, but happy to throw him in at the deep end away to arsenal (but then drop him for osman a few days later).

Another huge show of faith was to play him out of position on the left side against spurs, pitting him toe to toe with the best player in the country at the time.

A couple of Barkley's other scant cameos that season were sub appearances in games we were chasing like Chelsea at home and stoke away.

But the games against relegation fodder at home oh no ross wasnt ready for them ...

It was as if moyes wanted to prove a point against the toughest opposition that he wasnt ready, he set him up to fail

Perhaps he felt ross was useful as a counter attacking threat but didnt have enough in his locker at the time to break lesser teams down?
 
On paper it looked like a straight swap , two FBs off two FBs on, so I assumed Jones went to RB as you indicate and James Yates went to LB. Although he is normally a RB I seem to recall he played part of a game at LB after Connolly switched inside, maybe a pre season game and not a PL u21 one.

you're right it was a double swap.

I was distracted at the time listening to Martinez batting off questions about Holgate being asked by some random spectator.

Even as a grown bloke I was all giggly and excited being sat so near to Martinez, Dunc, Jones et al .. they were all there and 3 metres away.
 
Thought this an interesting critique on Liverpool's approach to loans and some of the problems that can occur with the current system especially as applied to players "stockpiled" that were previously getting first team football at their original clubs.
http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2015/09/liverpool-loanees-the-reds-on-borrowed-time/?wt=5
Chelsea Technical Director Michael Emenalo said last year when he was asked about Chelsea’s loan policy: “We think this is the best way to go. We identified that for young players, the ages of 18 to 21 are the most difficult time as they wonder if they are good enough for the Chelsea first team and what is next for them….We felt it is better for them at that age to go on loan to somewhere where they get visibility and good competition. For psychological and physical reasons that is the best thing to do at that age.”

Now I know this isn’t Liverpool. But it’s an interesting insight into the mind of those controlling the destiny of a young footballer. The first part I find very frustrating when we are often talking about foreign players who haven’t come through the academy. Instead of buying them and then wondering if they are good enough, and what is next for them, why not just leave them where they are? Presumably that club were doing a perfectly good job with them if the player managed to catch your eye. They might have even had a plan involving putting them in their first team. They might have even been in their first team. So leave him there until he’s good enough to get into yours. Instead of throwing a load of money at him, promising the world and then wondering what the hell to do with him during this ‘difficult time’.

Then he talks about visibility. What does he mean by visibility? Does the manager of a football team need to see him play for another club to monitor his progress? Can’t he just watch him play for the Under-21s? Doesn’t having him at your football club actually make him more visible to you? Or are they already talking about selling him on for a profit and making him more visible to buyers?

The last part is interesting, too. Talking about what is ‘psychologically and physically’ the best thing for a young player. Is moving a young player around different countries what is ‘psychologically’ best for them or is it keeping them in a settled environment? Are we talking about their welfare as human beings here or just footballers? Doesn’t one link into the other anyway?
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Ilori, along with Teixeira, caught our eye playing for a Sporting Lisbon development team that gave Liverpool a bit of a thumping. He made his debut for the Sporting Lisbon first team aged 18 and had played 12 times, both in the league and in Europe, before Liverpool paid £7million for him.

They then, as Michael Emenalo might describe it, wondered what on earth to do with him at this ‘difficult time’. Because apparently leaving him at Sporting Lisbon and seeing how he got on wasn’t an option. So we had a look at him for four months and presumably let him get settled in a house and then moved him to Granada for the sake of nine first team games of football.

The next season it was deemed that the best place for him to learn how to play for Liverpool was Bordeaux (I assume we checked if he could speak French first), where he played 12 times. Then he came home and we wondered what to do with him again. Before sending him to Aston Villa and telling them if they liked them they could keep him, as we’d tried nothing and we were all out of ideas.

I’m not particularly angry about us letting him go. It’s probably for the best now. I just can’t help but feel the whole thing has been a rubbish experience for the lad. He could have stayed at Sporting Lisbon, a perfectly good football club, and played over 50 times for them by now. He would probably be a much better footballer than he is now for the experience. The kind of defender who Liverpool might be looking at for the first team.

The hypocrisy of Liverpool fans on this area is frightening. The Redmen TV always go on about the evils of Chelsea, how they would hate that, Liverpool are better than that. When they pointed out this week they've done it again with an 18 year old Nigerian lad it was a shrug of the shoulders a "well Chelsea do it so what's wrong with it" and "nobody has a go at Chelsea when they do it" when they themselves have spent years slagging Chelsea off for doing it!

It is a completely unethical way to operate. They are essentially using young men as mechanisms to make money from. A big part of being able to make money from them is to pretend you have a fantastic academy and say your academy prospects are excellent and could play elsewhere so you can flog them on. This is where we get the spectacle of Liverpool fans loudly and crassly telling the world how their frankly ordinary academy is world class.

It will have knock on effects though. There was recently a piece on RAWK about how annoyed they were that the latest batch of young scousers all played for Everton (Walsh, Kenny, Ledson, Dowell) and were making out they were all Kopites as lads. An obvious out of towner said it was fine for them to have Evertonians at their academy due to them being the superior team but should never be the other way.
As usual they have failed to grasp the dialectic of what is happening.

Why would any young scouser, Liverpool or Everton fan alike choose Liverpool over Everton if he was presented with both equally. At Liverpool you just become part of a huge conveyor belt with the aim of milking your ability in terms of loan fees and an eventual transfer fee to make money for the club. At Everton the aim is to try to produce players for the first team.
They must have 50 professionals between the ages of 17-21. What chance does a young player have against those odds?

I suspect players will eventually stop going to teams like Liverpool/Chelsea. This can only benefit us as it should allow us to pick up players like Stones before them.

More importantly the city of Liverpool and surrounding areas are a goldmine for football talent. It is widely acknowledged to be the richest area for talent spotting in the country. Their flawed strategy allows us an obvious pitch for young talent. You'd be amazed how seeing local lads like Barkley, Hibbert, Osman, Rooney, Anichebe, Rodwell, Vaughan and soon Ledson, Dowell all given first team exposure will win parents over. In that time what local lads have Liverpool introduced (since say 2002?) Possibly Jay Spearing.
 
Yeah. Funny the way in 12/13 season moyes wouldnt play him at home to norwich when gibson, neville and mirallas were all unavailable and gave a half retired tommy hitszelperger a game instead, but happy to throw him in at the deep end away to arsenal (but then drop him for osman a few days later).

Another huge show of faith was to play him out of position on the left side against spurs, pitting him toe to toe with the best player in the country at the time.

A couple of Barkley's other scant cameos that season were sub appearances in games we were chasing like Chelsea at home and stoke away.

But the games against relegation fodder at home oh no ross wasnt ready for them ...

It was as if moyes wanted to prove a point against the toughest opposition that he wasnt ready, he set him up to fail

Hitzlsperger and Neville were defensive midfielders so I never understand criticism for playing them instead of Barkley. Osman at that point was a far better player than Barkley so dropping a 17 year old kid for a first team player was hardly crazy.

Moyes pitted Coleman v Bale, Duffy v Aguero, Rodwell and Gosling in cup games v Liverpool. Was he out to undermine all of them as well? Do you really think he would set his own player up to fail to prove a point to the media? You are deluded. As for Barkley playing out of position apparently it's ok for Mattinez to do it every single game but not ok for Moyes to do it with a 17 year old. Ok.

You can bash Moyes for a lot of things but this obsession some people have trying to prove he mishandled Barkley or Coleman is absolutely ludicrous. Barkley was awful last season and for whatever reason Martinez still won't trust him in deep midfield which is his best position. This is a 22 year old Barkley but you wanted Moyes to keep a teenage one in the side for most games ahead of established first team players who were a top 6 side? Utterly laughable.

Moyes' problem was he gave too many youth players a chance. Most were rubbish and some stayed in the squad far too long. I just do not see how he mishandled the likes of Coleman or Barkley though.
 
Seems as though Browning is becoming a "utility" defender perhaps?

Playing LB / LCB having been RB and RCB ?

Browning's main strength is his physicality. I think it also shows how Martinez is trying to adapt our centre halves to be comfortable on the ball and be able to fill in at fullback if necessary.

As has been indicated in earlier posts we have a couple of young defenders who I think Martinez will really take a shine too in our under 18's. The first yesterday was Lees, who already looks around 6 ft and very muscular and strong. The other lad is Yarney who is even taller and a physical monster of a player even for an 18 year old.

They are very much in the Browning mould of defenders and much like he was fast tracked from left field I can see Martinez keeping close tabs on them. I would say both are physically even stronger than Browning was at a similar age, so well worth keeping an eye on them.
 

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