Match Thread Everton Vs Manchester City - Capital One Cup - Semi Final 1st Leg - Wednesday 6th January - 20:00 KO

[anton66]

That in itself was a reasonably patronising comment. Please take a step down from your metaphorical soap box and stop talking nonsense. Your perceived enlightenment is floored.

Your 1st,2nd and 4th paragraph in your original post summed you up pal.
Have a dig at the pubs, ground and your overrated expectations.

 

[zandvoort blue]

Yeah his distribution is not great and is probably the reason Martinez doesn't pick him when fit.

LOLZ watch the vid mate x

 

[Woolly Blue]

One of the best things for me last night is that after Seamus went off and we went down to ten men we played with a bit of maturity and kept the ball.

I swear I didn't shout "Just keep the <bleep>ing ball once in that period", which, for me at Goodison, is a long time !

 

[hullefc]

Here's my 2p on the game yesterday for anyone who's interested.

Everything started off rosy, it actually took me less time to get to Liverpool than it does to trawl across the mancunian way to the Etihad for a mid week game. Stopped off in the regular snooker bar just off Stanley Park cemetery to have a few pints and to taste the local cuisine; £1 ham/Cheese & Onion/Egg Mayo(For anyone who's brave enough) butties. There was also an interesting heater that consisted of a gas canister and a large blow torch type machine - I presume the health and safety specs are more liberal the further down the Mersey you get. For 3 pints, a coke and a couple barm cakes I got change out of tenner, again, following on this positive trend that 'today was going to be a good day'.

We arrived at the ground, got in fine, found our seats: one goal blocked by a pillar, the other blocked by the tallest man on planet Earth. It was probably for the best because IMO the game was awful.

I was initially impressed with Pellegrini's tactical decision to push Toure further forward with Delph holding, it could have been a great move if Yaya pulled his finger out. Aguero wasn't his usual self. Silva couldn't pass wind and KDB just didn't get going. It's more likely that your tactics were better then ours and you probably 'neutralized' us - but for me, a fan that pays hard earned money to support the team, I can't help but get the impression the players feel 'above' the competition. We don't move quick enough, there isn't any desire to chase back. Another thing that irks me, which I'm sure you'll probably disagree with, is the lack of pressure we place on officials and referee's in games. We really try and portray this professional image, we want to win things by the book, but that doesn't always work. Your first goal looked well offside, I'm not sure if the player who bagged was, but Lukaku I'm sure was a good 3/4 yards? Regardless, the whole team should have ran to the linesman and bollocked him, even if they let the goal stand (which they should) it puts him under pressure for the rest of the game - we probably get that penalty on Navas which would have changed the game. I thought the referee had a poor game and we let him off with it. All you ask for is consistency, if he's bad for both sides it's fine. He gave you a few fouls for 50/50 challenges, tackles from behind etc but when your players did the same to ours he wasn't interested. That penalty was stone wall, how they haven't seen that is a joke, Sunday league standard refereeing and it happens to often to us. As the game went on we got more and more into it, eventually scored from nothing (Aguero with a piece of world class football to set up Navas) and I thought, great, last 10 minutes now we'll go on and score a couple more here - one minute later you've scored. Then finally our game was summed up by you going down to 10 men and being able to play keep ball around roughly £100m worth of attacking talent. My mind was really put to rest after we took KDB off and replaced him with Fernando, talk about inspired subs.

From an Everton point of view I was impressed. It was worlds away from what I saw in August. The team were well up for the game, tactically you seemed to out run us, you won every second ball and Lukaku was like a lynch pin dragging our defense left and right creating space for your wingers to ease past our full backs. You couldn't have been set up better. I bet we had more possession and more passes then you, but it shows what a load of rubbish stats are. You were way more decisive and direct, you played on our weaknesses and in my view you would have been unfortunate had we robbed a draw. It was actually a shame that Mangala got injured in the end, he was just about containing Lukaku in the first half and maybe he'd have headed clear on your second but it's all if's, buts and maybe's!

I still think we'll beat you comfortably in the home leg and go through, but you've given yourselves a chance now.

The only positive I can take from the game is that I had a great day out, despite the result. There were a few funny exchanges between the fans (which you'd expect in a Manc/Scouse derby). I have to say, whoever is talking about City fans wrecking their own team bus and battering kids/spitting on women and whatever. I didn't see any of that. Some people really don't get the away culture in this country - just take all away fans as wind up merchants and don't let it upset you. It's the remains of the 80's and the liberty taking days. And for the record, my worst experiences with away fans in Manchester include your fans on more than one occasion, if you want to talk about minorities causing trouble my advice would be 'don't throw stones from glass houses', or perhaps, 'don't throw coins from level 2/3 in the return leg', cause I'm the unlucky [Poor language removed] who has to sit under you!

Although there has traditionally been a bit of a 'North West Derby' feel to our games, I think our fanbases have more in common then most think - I say to my friends, I'd prefer to spend a day with a scouser than a Cockney, because whether you like it or not we're probably the closest Cities, culture-wise in the UK!

I thought your support was very quiet last night. I thought having 4 000 there they would have acted like a 12th man but never did. I think 7 000 Evertonians at your place could have a big influence on the game.

I think the penalty was 50/50 and on another day, like when Milner brushed Jags and fell over, could have been given.

Neither Silva nor Aguero were match sharp. Which is why by the time the second leg they may be up to speed. Saying that, we are well up for this cup and Martinez and the players are up for it as well.

 

[Manc]

Your 1st,2nd and 4th paragraph in your original post summed you up pal.
Have a dig at the pubs, ground and your overrated expectations.

You're a bit touchy aren't you! Thought you'd be happier after yesterday.

When did I have a dig at the pubs? That was the best part of the day! The ground is awful for away fans, I've been to 50+ grounds across Europe and Goodison is honestly the worst; if you're on Row K or further back you can't see half of the pitch because of the roof - that makes everyone congregate further forward which congests the stand. There are still pillars blocking views, the concourse is far to small for the number of fans that pass through it. Sure you have the romantic wooden seats and flooring which is a blast from the past, but it's a poor stand for away fans to be housed in. If you think that's patronising then that's your opinion against mine - I know not everyone (or most probably the majority of people) aren't going to agree with me, but it's not going to make me change my mind.

In terms of my overrated expectations, I'd love you to elaborate. I'd describe them as being 'natural' expectations. You don't choose an expectation, they develop based on what you've seen.

 

[Manc]

I thought your support was very quiet last night. I thought having 4 000 there they would have acted like a 12th man but never did. I think 7 000 Evertonians at your place could have a big influence on the game.

I think the penalty was 50/50 and on another day, like when Milner brushed Jags and fell over, could have been given.

Neither Silva nor Aguero were match sharp. Which is why by the time the second leg they may be up to speed. Saying that, we are well up for this cup and Martinez and the players are up for it as well.

Our away support has been poor, noise wise, for a while now. We're good when we're winning, but it goes flat when we're under the cosh. I'm not sure if it comes with raised expectations or if it's a change in the demographics of our supporters - you see way more toursity/corperate types in our ends on a lot of occasions now, the most recent example being a block of 100 'Belgian Blues' getting tickets to a 'sold out' away game at Arsenal. That might change going into the run in if we have a chance of winning the league.

There were 4,800 City fans there, but spread out across the stand which makes it hard to sing in unison. You'll have 8,000 fans all packed together which should make it a lot easier to get going - I'd also imagine there will probably be another thousand dodgy manc accents in the home end after last nights result as well haha.

I thought your fans were exceptionally quiet (for your standards) up until you scored - I've been to Goodison and seen the place literally rocking before, when it gets going it's a really good atmosphere, but yesterday it didn't really match that. In saying that though, I'm sure it will be better then what we'll muster up in the second leg!

 

[Blue Cheese]

Here's my 2p on the game yesterday for anyone who's interested.

Everything started off rosy, it actually took me less time to get to Liverpool than it does to trawl across the mancunian way to the Etihad for a mid week game. Stopped off in the regular snooker bar just off Stanley Park cemetery to have a few pints and to taste the local cuisine; £1 ham/Cheese & Onion/Egg Mayo(For anyone who's brave enough) butties. There was also an interesting heater that consisted of a gas canister and a large blow torch type machine - I presume the health and safety specs are more liberal the further down the Mersey you get. For 3 pints, a coke and a couple barm cakes I got change out of tenner, again, following on this positive trend that 'today was going to be a good day'.

We arrived at the ground, got in fine, found our seats: one goal blocked by a pillar, the other blocked by the tallest man on planet Earth. It was probably for the best because IMO the game was awful.

I was initially impressed with Pellegrini's tactical decision to push Toure further forward with Delph holding, it could have been a great move if Yaya pulled his finger out. Aguero wasn't his usual self. Silva couldn't pass wind and KDB just didn't get going. It's more likely that your tactics were better then ours and you probably 'neutralized' us - but for me, a fan that pays hard earned money to support the team, I can't help but get the impression the players feel 'above' the competition. We don't move quick enough, there isn't any desire to chase back. Another thing that irks me, which I'm sure you'll probably disagree with, is the lack of pressure we place on officials and referee's in games. We really try and portray this professional image, we want to win things by the book, but that doesn't always work. Your first goal looked well offside, I'm not sure if the player who bagged was, but Lukaku I'm sure was a good 3/4 yards? Regardless, the whole team should have ran to the linesman and bollocked him, even if they let the goal stand (which they should) it puts him under pressure for the rest of the game - we probably get that penalty on Navas which would have changed the game. I thought the referee had a poor game and we let him off with it. All you ask for is consistency, if he's bad for both sides it's fine. He gave you a few fouls for 50/50 challenges, tackles from behind etc but when your players did the same to ours he wasn't interested. That penalty was stone wall, how they haven't seen that is a joke, Sunday league standard refereeing and it happens to often to us. As the game went on we got more and more into it, eventually scored from nothing (Aguero with a piece of world class football to set up Navas) and I thought, great, last 10 minutes now we'll go on and score a couple more here - one minute later you've scored. Then finally our game was summed up by you going down to 10 men and being able to play keep ball around roughly £100m worth of attacking talent. My mind was really put to rest after we took KDB off and replaced him with Fernando, talk about inspired subs.

From an Everton point of view I was impressed. It was worlds away from what I saw in August. The team were well up for the game, tactically you seemed to out run us, you won every second ball and Lukaku was like a lynch pin dragging our defense left and right creating space for your wingers to ease past our full backs. You couldn't have been set up better. I bet we had more possession and more passes then you, but it shows what a load of rubbish stats are. You were way more decisive and direct, you played on our weaknesses and in my view you would have been unfortunate had we robbed a draw. It was actually a shame that Mangala got injured in the end, he was just about containing Lukaku in the first half and maybe he'd have headed clear on your second but it's all if's, buts and maybe's!

I still think we'll beat you comfortably in the home leg and go through, but you've given yourselves a chance now.

The only positive I can take from the game is that I had a great day out, despite the result. There were a few funny exchanges between the fans (which you'd expect in a Manc/Scouse derby). I have to say, whoever is talking about City fans wrecking their own team bus and battering kids/spitting on women and whatever. I didn't see any of that. Some people really don't get the away culture in this country - just take all away fans as wind up merchants and don't let it upset you. It's the remains of the 80's and the liberty taking days. And for the record, my worst experiences with away fans in Manchester include your fans on more than one occasion, if you want to talk about minorities causing trouble my advice would be 'don't throw stones from glass houses', or perhaps, 'don't throw coins from level 2/3 in the return leg', cause I'm the unlucky [Poor language removed] who has to sit under you!

Although there has traditionally been a bit of a 'North West Derby' feel to our games, I think our fanbases have more in common then most think - I say to my friends, I'd prefer to spend a day with a scouser than a Cockney, because whether you like it or not we're probably the closest Cities, culture-wise in the UK!

Pretty dire, spending all that money on world class players only to hope for help off the officials. I'm assuming you think no other team get's bad decisions.

Crawl back under your rock lad.

 

[LydiateLee]

That in itself was a reasonably patronising comment. Please take a step down from your metaphorical soap box and stop talking nonsense. Your perceived enlightenment is floored.

Coming from the fella who believes, despite being outplayed for 80 minutes last night, that you will still win comfortably in 3 weeks.

The fella who casually swats away allegations of assaults on women/kids as some sort of nonsensical impossibility. News for you mate, I saw with my own two eyes two of your scruffy Shameless scumbags fronting a man with his 3 year old son on his shoulders!!! Glad to say that the two cretins in questions were knocked swiftly out by a couple of bystanders. Don't like getting beat?

You lot have turned in to possibly the most odious, slef-righteous gang of cringey meffs in English football. And to think you used to be half decent.

 

[Jimmy1]

Here's my 2p on the game yesterday for anyone who's interested.

Everything started off rosy, it actually took me less time to get to Liverpool than it does to trawl across the mancunian way to the Etihad for a mid week game. Stopped off in the regular snooker bar just off Stanley Park cemetery to have a few pints and to taste the local cuisine; £1 ham/Cheese & Onion/Egg Mayo(For anyone who's brave enough) butties. There was also an interesting heater that consisted of a gas canister and a large blow torch type machine - I presume the health and safety specs are more liberal the further down the Mersey you get. For 3 pints, a coke and a couple barm cakes I got change out of tenner, again, following on this positive trend that 'today was going to be a good day'.

We arrived at the ground, got in fine, found our seats: one goal blocked by a pillar, the other blocked by the tallest man on planet Earth. It was probably for the best because IMO the game was awful.

I was initially impressed with Pellegrini's tactical decision to push Toure further forward with Delph holding, it could have been a great move if Yaya pulled his finger out. Aguero wasn't his usual self. Silva couldn't pass wind and KDB just didn't get going. It's more likely that your tactics were better then ours and you probably 'neutralized' us - but for me, a fan that pays hard earned money to support the team, I can't help but get the impression the players feel 'above' the competition. We don't move quick enough, there isn't any desire to chase back. Another thing that irks me, which I'm sure you'll probably disagree with, is the lack of pressure we place on officials and referee's in games. We really try and portray this professional image, we want to win things by the book, but that doesn't always work. Your first goal looked well offside, I'm not sure if the player who bagged was, but Lukaku I'm sure was a good 3/4 yards? Regardless, the whole team should have ran to the linesman and bollocked him, even if they let the goal stand (which they should) it puts him under pressure for the rest of the game - we probably get that penalty on Navas which would have changed the game. I thought the referee had a poor game and we let him off with it. All you ask for is consistency, if he's bad for both sides it's fine. He gave you a few fouls for 50/50 challenges, tackles from behind etc but when your players did the same to ours he wasn't interested. That penalty was stone wall, how they haven't seen that is a joke, Sunday league standard refereeing and it happens to often to us. As the game went on we got more and more into it, eventually scored from nothing (Aguero with a piece of world class football to set up Navas) and I thought, great, last 10 minutes now we'll go on and score a couple more here - one minute later you've scored. Then finally our game was summed up by you going down to 10 men and being able to play keep ball around roughly £100m worth of attacking talent. My mind was really put to rest after we took KDB off and replaced him with Fernando, talk about inspired subs.

From an Everton point of view I was impressed. It was worlds away from what I saw in August. The team were well up for the game, tactically you seemed to out run us, you won every second ball and Lukaku was like a lynch pin dragging our defense left and right creating space for your wingers to ease past our full backs. You couldn't have been set up better. I bet we had more possession and more passes then you, but it shows what a load of rubbish stats are. You were way more decisive and direct, you played on our weaknesses and in my view you would have been unfortunate had we robbed a draw. It was actually a shame that Mangala got injured in the end, he was just about containing Lukaku in the first half and maybe he'd have headed clear on your second but it's all if's, buts and maybe's!

I still think we'll beat you comfortably in the home leg and go through, but you've given yourselves a chance now.

The only positive I can take from the game is that I had a great day out, despite the result. There were a few funny exchanges between the fans (which you'd expect in a Manc/Scouse derby). I have to say, whoever is talking about City fans wrecking their own team bus and battering kids/spitting on women and whatever. I didn't see any of that. Some people really don't get the away culture in this country - just take all away fans as wind up merchants and don't let it upset you. It's the remains of the 80's and the liberty taking days. And for the record, my worst experiences with away fans in Manchester include your fans on more than one occasion, if you want to talk about minorities causing trouble my advice would be 'don't throw stones from glass houses', or perhaps, 'don't throw coins from level 2/3 in the return leg', cause I'm the unlucky [Poor language removed] who has to sit under you!

Although there has traditionally been a bit of a 'North West Derby' feel to our games, I think our fanbases have more in common then most think - I say to my friends, I'd prefer to spend a day with a scouser than a Cockney, because whether you like it or not we're probably the closest Cities, culture-wise in the UK!

Hope someone lobs a brick on you from above you condescending bellend.

 

[Boss_Blue]

I have to say, whoever is talking about City fans wrecking their own team bus and battering kids/spitting on women and whatever. I didn't see any of that. Some people really don't get the away culture in this country - just take all away fans as wind up merchants and don't let it upset you. It's the remains of the 80's and the liberty taking days. And for the record, my worst experiences with away fans in Manchester include your fans on more than one occasion, if you want to talk about minorities causing trouble my advice would be 'don't throw stones from glass houses', or perhaps, 'don't throw coins from level 2/3 in the return leg', cause I'm the unlucky [Poor language removed] who has to sit under you!

Hi mate, were you parked in the car park on Priory Road or in one of the away coaches? If so there's no way you could have missed the disgraceful behavior of your fans.

Don't throw stones in glass houses? How about don't spit in women's faces at football matches?

Crawl back under your sister you patronizing, scruffy bellend.

 

[Sapie88]

Hi mate, were you parked in the car park on Priory Road or in one of the away coaches? If so there's no way you could have missed the disgraceful behavior of your fans.

Don't throw stones in glass houses? How about don't spit in women's faces at football matches?

Crawl back under your sister you patronizing, scruffy bellend.

Want me to cut him m8?

 

[Boss_Blue]

Want me to cut him m8?

It'd only improve his looks.

 

[Manc]

Coming from the fella who believes, despite being outplayed for 80 minutes last night, that you will still win comfortably in 3 weeks.

The fella who casually swats away allegations of assaults on women/kids as some sort of nonsensical impossibility. News for you mate, I saw with my own two eyes two of your scruffy Shameless scumbags fronting a man with his 3 year old son on his shoulders!!! Glad to say that the two cretins in questions were knocked swiftly out by a couple of bystanders. Don't like getting beat?

You lot have turned in to possibly the most odious, slef-righteous gang of cringey meffs in English football. And to think you used to be half decent.

We're a different team at home to away, we've won one game away from home (in England) since August. I'd agree that it was worded in a particularly confident manner.

I casually swat away generalisations about a set of fans, I'll quote 'Boss Blue' for an example:

What did they do?

Attacked their own team coach, spat in a woman's face, kicked off with a load of blues despite there being kids with both sets of fans.

Then got piped rar down with a couple getting sparked before the police arrived.

I appreciate it's the minority but there was enough of them there to have gone right down in my estimations.

So then you go on to say that 'two of our scruffy shameless scumbags'. So you and Mr Boss Blue are getting all upset and judging a fanbase if around 100 thousand people (probably more world wide) on the actions of 2, yes 2, people? Really? I'm glad that the Everton fans I walked back to my car with weren't as hysterical as you, you sound like a football version of Nigel Farage in your generalisations and blaming.

I didn't see what happened, so I'm not going to cast judgement on anyone, but you never hear the full story. Perhaps this bloke with his kid wasn't the innocent person he's being depicted as in this thread, but because I imagine he was an Everton fan, the tribalism will kick in and your lot will stick up for him, that's natural. If it were me, personally, I'm not bothered about football enough to spit in someones face, but because someone who probably stood near me in a ground of 30,000 people did, surely I'm a [Poor language removed] as well? Good logic that.

For the record, if I would have seen anyone picking on someone for no reason I'd have stepped in as well. Unfortunately there are a lot of dickheads on this planet and maybe, if you took your head out of your self righteous arse you'd realise that there are dickheads amongst your fellow Everton fans, and Liverpool fans, and Newcastle, Villa, Spurs, Southampton etc...

 

[Manc]

Hope someone lobs a brick on you from above you condescending bellend.

Nice.

 

[LydiateLee]

We're a different team at home to away, we've won one game away from home (in England) since August. I'd agree that it was worded in a particularly confident manner.

I casually swat away generalisations about a set of fans, I'll quote 'Boss Blue' for an example:



So then you go on to say that 'two of our scruffy shameless scumbags'. So you and Mr Boss Blue are getting all upset and judging a fanbase if around 100 thousand people (probably more world wide) on the actions of 2, yes 2, people? Really? I'm glad that the Everton fans I walked back to my car with weren't as hysterical as you, you sound like a football version of Nigel Farage in your generalisations and blaming.

I didn't see what happened, so I'm not going to cast judgement on anyone, but you never hear the full story. Perhaps this bloke with his kid wasn't the innocent person he's being depicted as in this thread, but because I imagine he was an Everton fan, the tribalism will kick in and your lot will stick up for him, that's natural. If it were me, personally, I'm not bothered about football enough to spit in someones face, but because someone who probably stood near me in a ground of 30,000 people did, surely I'm a [Poor language removed] as well? Good logic that.

For the record, if I would have seen anyone picking on someone for no reason I'd have stepped in as well. Unfortunately there are a lot of dickheads on this planet and maybe, if you took your head out of your self righteous arse you'd realise that there are dickheads amongst your fellow Everton fans, and Liverpool fans, and Newcastle, Villa, Spurs, Southampton etc...

Yes because, as a dad, that's normal behaviour. If I have my daughter on my shoulders of course I am going to start trouble with some young boozed up thugs that's a great idea.

You were outplayed and out-thought last night and it'll be the same in 3 weeks. Unlucky.