Everton are small time...

[sportset]

man city and chelsea the big success stories of recent times did not even consider appointing 'one of their own'

HOWARD KENDALL?

 

[captainvindaloo]

The only sentimentality I personally feel is the nostalgic driven urge to get us back to the team we were when we were winners (yes, I am that old). When we were the classy royalty that other teams aspired to. The School Of Science.
I think that is called "ambition", and it is a thing that has been sadly lacking in the blue corridors of power.
It does not matter how we achieve this, only that we should be constantly striving for it.
It is NSNO. Anyone wanting to be part of Everton should embrace that Latin moto. Most fans, and even some players of recent seasons "got it".
Ultimately though, it is the board, the decision makers, who need to "get it".
Ambition is driven from the top down. Perhaps the firing of Koeman was a sign of such.
We will hire another manager, it may or may not work out. It is a gamble, and the stars may or may not align. If a player or manager is not good enough, get rid, replace. The bottom line is, the overall ambition has to be kept alive. There is no room for sentimentality in that. We are Everton, we are better than that.

 

[Kinghowie]

The point i am making mate is that anybody coming in is a gamble, (who would have thought the likes of Van Gaal would have flopped so badly) and anybody coming in can only work with what we have until the January window opens. In these circumstances, Unsworth is actually less of a gamble. Yet people are crucifying the club for not immediately bringing in some foreign coach? Doing so is no more or less a risk than leaving Unsworth with the job until the window opens? If he hasnt done it, then bring in some foriegn gamble, until then lets get behind him and stop bleating!

The point still stands, someone having a different opinion to you need to wind their necks in. I could say the same to you. But, it’s a forum and is supposed to encourage debate. If you want people to ‘stop bleating’ and having different opinions, close the Forum now. People ‘crucifying’ the Club? The majority of the posts a quite constructive, hardly ‘crucifying’ (they need crucifying to be fair) Please forgive me for having a different opinion and I will no longer ‘bleat’ about my concerns. I ‘bleated’ about my concerns over Ronko, 10 months ago and was met by similar responses.

 

[Jonte]

Can’t help feeling that Blue-Blooded David serves a purpose for the board: he’s malleable; prepared to work with what we’ve got; won’t ask too many questions of them.

Bring in a big name, and without doubt, each will ask how much they’ve got to spend. In this scenario, Moshiri might have to put his money where his mouth is, and I’m not sure, for one, he’d find that too appealing.

Time will tell.

 

[EvertonRhys]

@Bungle *Allude

 

[miff]

I don’t give a flying fiddlers if he gets us
Once he gets us success that’s all that matters
Do you think Pep gets City ( what City are and what there is to get I have no idea )

What is ‘getting us’?
We are no different than any other football team
Some fans like to think we are, but we’re not

 

[Bungle]

@Bungle *Allude

 

[Frang]

its the hope that kills you.

the esk , whether he meant it or not, got all our hopes up on here, claiming that Moshiri was going to radically transform us and bring a totally new approach to commercial deals like weve not seen before.

Basically we all thought/ believed 'bloody hell, well in Bill, you've worked your magic here and brought us right up to date with the rest of the top 4'

it got all our hopes up.

then the whispers began, about debt payments and ground designs, along with transfer 'warchest's'.

weve all had to watch, or listen (to jim white) as Moshiri and Bill have gone about this business.

ive stated on here before, the first signs that things were not quite as they seemed were the horrific jim white txts, rather iPhone notes stating that certain players were 'family' ... I mean what on earth does that actually mean. if Moshiri was trying to 'get us Evertonian's' then he got it mightly wrong.

the absolute mess of 3 transfer windows, holding back for totally unrealistic targets. first mata and witsel and latterly costa and cavani. all the while missing out on targets that ould actually come and do a job for us.

The longer Bill kenwright is here , then I'm afraid the longer this amateur'ish approach will continue.

 

[Steve Wigan]

Ironically he plays on the sentimentalism of his staff (work in the West end , live your dreams, you may get noticed) and gets them as volunteers / zero hours. Not unusual in the industry before @Steve Wigan swings in here

The only thing wrong with the above is that you've omitted to say the Bill is the biggest sentimentalist of all. This is part of the 'mix' that makes him successful in the theatre business. Another part of the mix is that he has an eye for a potential 'hit' and buys cheap before the hit becomes a hit. His pension is not from football, its from Educating Rita and the film version of Stepping Out, both of which are showing, or being performed somewhere in the world every day of the year.A bit like Richard O'Brien who has made a fortune out of Rocky Horror and The Crystal Maze. And good luck to both of them!.
You are right about Bills shows paying low wages in the provinces,and he does use local amateur operatic societies as chorus in these shows,but a a very senior exec at One Nation once told me, BKs shows, which are essentially budget versions of West End hits,have kept many theatres open,and many,many people in work who would otherwise be among the high percentage of performers who can't get a job very often. Bills West End stuff is usually produced in partnership with Lloyd Webber or another top echelon production company,and as such the going rate will be paid to performers and stage staff. Bill is well known for loyalty to his friends and employees, but if anyone crosses him he can be an absolute b******. That's not just my opinion, its the opinion of many in the business.
In a sense, Bills biggest mistake when he controlled Everton was that he treated the 'business' side in the same way as his theatrical business. Selling the dream of Everton, in the same way he sold the dream to investors in his shows(Including Phil Green?)
People should not forget that Bill started as a TV actor, and has become a leading worldwide theatrical impresario, credited by some in the theatrical know, as the saviour of British provincial theatre (and as a side effect, the catalyst for a certain Mr Greggs successful theatre business)
But basically, orly is correct .

 

[orly]

The only thing wrong with the above is that you've omitted to say the Bill is the biggest sentimentalist of all. This is part of the 'mix' that makes him successful in the theatre business. Another part of the mix is that he has an eye for a potential 'hit' and buys cheap before the hit becomes a hit. His pension is not from football, its from Educating Rita and the film version of Stepping Out, both of which are showing, or being performed somewhere in the world every day of the year.A bit like Richard O'Brien who has made a fortune out of Rocky Horror and The Crystal Maze. And good luck to both of them!.
You are right about Bills shows paying low wages in the provinces,and he does use local amateur operatic societies as chorus in these shows,but a a very senior exec at One Nation once told me, BKs shows, which are essentially budget versions of West End hits,have kept many theatres open,and many,many people in work who would otherwise be among the high percentage of performers who can't get a job very often. Bills West End stuff is usually produced in partnership with Lloyd Webber or another top echelon production company,and as such the going rate will be paid to performers and stage staff. Bill is well known for loyalty to his friends and employees, but if anyone crosses him he can be an absolute b******. That's not just my opinion, its the opinion of many in the business.
In a sense, Bills biggest mistake when he controlled Everton was that he treated the 'business' side in the same way as his theatrical business. Selling the dream of Everton, in the same way he sold the dream to investors in his shows(Including Phil Green?)
People should not forget that Bill started as a TV actor, and has become a leading worldwide theatrical impresario, credited by some in the theatrical know, as the saviour of British provincial theatre (and as a side effect, the catalyst for a certain Mr Greggs successful theatre business)
But basically, orly is correct .

I love you Steve.

 

[d4kyxx]

I’m glad some of you are finally seeing sense

What the club tell us or try to make you believe isn’t actually what is reality

Most fans fall for it but the clever ones realise gradually over time that what actually happens or the things that are done, don’t in fact represent what the club actually says it wants/will do

For example when Koeman arrived it was all talk in the press conference about how the owners had title ambitions

Yet they’ve not shown that. Moshiri even recently stated that he expects to lose to the top six. So how is that title ambition?

Case closed

 

[Steve Wigan]

I love you Steve.

Everybody does.

 

[mooseatingnome]

I’m glad some of you are finally seeing sense

What the club tell us or try to make you believe isn’t actually what is reality

Most fans fall for it but the clever ones realise gradually over time that what actually happens or the things that are done, don’t in fact represent what the club actually says it wants/will do

For example when Koeman arrived it was all talk in the press conference about how the owners had title ambitions

Yet they’ve not shown that. Moshiri even recently stated that he expects to lose to the top six. So how is that title ambition?

Case closed

Mate don’t try and pass yourself off as one of the clever ones.

 

[COYBL25]

The only thing wrong with the above is that you've omitted to say the Bill is the biggest sentimentalist of all. This is part of the 'mix' that makes him successful in the theatre business. Another part of the mix is that he has an eye for a potential 'hit' and buys cheap before the hit becomes a hit. His pension is not from football, its from Educating Rita and the film version of Stepping Out, both of which are showing, or being performed somewhere in the world every day of the year.A bit like Richard O'Brien who has made a fortune out of Rocky Horror and The Crystal Maze. And good luck to both of them!.
You are right about Bills shows paying low wages in the provinces,and he does use local amateur operatic societies as chorus in these shows,but a a very senior exec at One Nation once told me, BKs shows, which are essentially budget versions of West End hits,have kept many theatres open,and many,many people in work who would otherwise be among the high percentage of performers who can't get a job very often. Bills West End stuff is usually produced in partnership with Lloyd Webber or another top echelon production company,and as such the going rate will be paid to performers and stage staff. Bill is well known for loyalty to his friends and employees, but if anyone crosses him he can be an absolute b******. That's not just my opinion, its the opinion of many in the business.
In a sense, Bills biggest mistake when he controlled Everton was that he treated the 'business' side in the same way as his theatrical business. Selling the dream of Everton, in the same way he sold the dream to investors in his shows(Including Phil Green?)
People should not forget that Bill started as a TV actor, and has become a leading worldwide theatrical impresario, credited by some in the theatrical know, as the saviour of British provincial theatre (and as a side effect, the catalyst for a certain Mr Greggs successful theatre business)
But basically, orly is correct .

So in summary :

He's running the equivalent of theatrical sweatshops, whilst camouflaging what he's up to, by getting the likes of Lloyd Rubber Face to front it ?.

What ever next, teaming up with the Dildo brothers at West Ham

 

[RomanReigns]

or are they?

I've been reading the Unsworth thread this morning and have to say I agree with the majority of what @orly has been eluding to, or at least I think he's been eluding to.

I'm a massive fan of David Unsworth as a person, who knows I might even be a huge fan of his managerial ability in a few games, but who knows. He's saying all the right things, using all the usual buzzwords about history, big club etc, but there's something that bothers me about it. It's bordering on a scripted theatrical performance that Bill Kenwright has written. I mean he said all that and then played a CB pairing of Jagielka and Williams and an utterly useless Rooney.

We've just lost and been knocked out of the cup but there's the tweet @orly highlighted celebrating a debut and the return of the ginger fella with a nationality disorder. I can't think of another top club that deals with this sort of stuff in the same small time cringey way as Everton. We over hype minor events, we team up with Umbro, SportPesa and Angry Birds and that's before we even get to the kitbag deal.

Why would an organisation that has an ounce of sense keep Bill Kenwright and Robert Elstone around? You could argue that it's a transitional period but it would appear that they have just as much involvement at the club now as they did before Farhad came along, if not more.

We have grand ambitions, or so we're told, but everything about how we communicate via social media and the deals we sign suggest anything but that. The twitter reads like some die hard blue that refuses to hear a bad word said about the club, rather than a professionally run club employing a social media expert.

If we truly are serious about being a big club then we need to knock this stuff on the head and start behaving like a professional outfit.

sentimental would be appointing david moyes

professional is promoting an already internal manager who won the under 23's title last season.