Current Affairs EU In or Out

[joey_macmo]

I'd expect you not to understand my comment and you did not disappoint......

Standard high handed reply that offers nothing to the debate as usual

 

[Joey66]

I find it absolutely insane that this post from the esk gets attacked when these posts defending incorrect figures and statements surround it

well watch the programme then the numbers quoted were astounding ok!
not an attack on the esk - just numbers branded about ok!
everyone can defend a mod - but just because we differ on the IN ?OUT referendum is not an offence , and is not directed as such ok!

 

[The Esk]

Perhaps too strong a word, but definition number 3 covers it.....
3.
opposition or resistance to an idea, plan, project,

How does that cover you claiming "it may just explain your hostility to those that voted to leave........"

One can be hostile to the idea without being hostile to the person expressing the view or in this case voting in a certain way. As I said earlier point out my hostility to any poster supporting Brexit.

 

[Joey66]

They came to rape and plunder.

your right pesky devils those Vikings!

 

[Joey66]

The figures are to June.

Still way too high imo!

 

[Joey66]

Thanks for the personal comment.

The question is whether immigration is good for the economy or not? It has been proved beyond all reasonable doubt that immigrants are net contributors to the economy, and therefore benefit the economy.

Now people say what about the effect on public services? Conveniently the Government use this a reason to turn public opinion as its much easier to blame the immigrants than it is to fund public services to the levels that provide decent services for all. I'm not discounting that there are regional and local difficulties but the cause is the political decision not to fund the public service providers be it the NHS or the local councils to meet the need created.

The Government knows that immigration is a positive for the economy yet at the same time makes the political decision not to provide the resources required alongside any growth of local populations.

It could easily be remedied if the Government made it a political priority, but they don't and have allowed immigration to be used for the Brexit cause rather than defending it. It's political cowardice.

That's not accurate as the ones in work no one has dared to publish what I call the oncost figures the in work benefits if they are in low paid jobs etc in work benefits can be tax credits, Housing benefits etc etc until those figures are produced is any immigration a + or a minus on the figures, not just on contruburtions the benefits they claim listed above?
they even leave and get certain benefits sent back home?

 

[davmaher]

Interesting letter from leaders of the UK food industry in The Times today. Not sure if it's been posted previously:

MIGRANT LABOUR CALL

Sir, The result of the EU referendum presents particular challenges as well as opportunities for the UK food chain. A settlement that recognises the critical role of the UK food chain will demonstrate how Brexit can be beneficial not just for our sector but for the wider economy too. We represent the four UK farming unions and 71 leading food businesses, with a collective turnover of more than £92 billion and employing more than 925,000 people across the UK.

For our sector, maintaining tariff-free access to the EU single market is vital. It is where 75 per cent of our food exports go, so all our farming and food businesses wish to achieve this outcome. The sector needs access to EU and non-EU seasonal and permanent labour, alongside assurances that EU workers already working permanently in the UK are allowed to remain.

This access to labour is essential as it underpins the UK food chain’s timely delivery of high-quality, affordable food to consumers. We urge the government to pursue both these goals, for the benefit of the whole of society and the economy.

Mark Allen, CEO, Dairy Crest; David Potts, CEO, Wm Morrison; Mike Coupe, CEO, J Sainsbury; Tomas Pietrangeli, managing director, Arla Foods; Steve Rowe, CEO, M&S; Andrew McInnes, managing director, Müller Milk & Ingredients; Giles Turrel, CEO, Weetabix; Richard Clothier, managing director, Wyke Farms; Meurig Raymond, president, NFU; Allan Bowie, president, NFU Scotland; Barclay Bell, president, Ulster Farmers Union; Stephen James, president, NFU Cymru. Plus a further 63 food businesses

 

[Tubey]

I've gave up being angry about Brexit. At this point, as it becomes clear the people we elect to lead us are incompetent beyond belief - as shown by David Davis just today - I'm just very sad about it.

 

[Ratkiller]

Interesting letter from leaders of the UK food industry in The Times today. Not sure if it's been posted previously:

MIGRANT LABOUR CALL

Sir, The result of the EU referendum presents particular challenges as well as opportunities for the UK food chain. A settlement that recognises the critical role of the UK food chain will demonstrate how Brexit can be beneficial not just for our sector but for the wider economy too. We represent the four UK farming unions and 71 leading food businesses, with a collective turnover of more than £92 billion and employing more than 925,000 people across the UK.

For our sector, maintaining tariff-free access to the EU single market is vital. It is where 75 per cent of our food exports go, so all our farming and food businesses wish to achieve this outcome. The sector needs access to EU and non-EU seasonal and permanent labour, alongside assurances that EU workers already working permanently in the UK are allowed to remain.

This access to labour is essential as it underpins the UK food chain’s timely delivery of high-quality, affordable food to consumers. We urge the government to pursue both these goals, for the benefit of the whole of society and the economy.

Mark Allen, CEO, Dairy Crest; David Potts, CEO, Wm Morrison; Mike Coupe, CEO, J Sainsbury; Tomas Pietrangeli, managing director, Arla Foods; Steve Rowe, CEO, M&S; Andrew McInnes, managing director, Müller Milk & Ingredients; Giles Turrel, CEO, Weetabix; Richard Clothier, managing director, Wyke Farms; Meurig Raymond, president, NFU; Allan Bowie, president, NFU Scotland; Barclay Bell, president, Ulster Farmers Union; Stephen James, president, NFU Cymru. Plus a further 63 food businesses

Just so I've read that right.

That's a load of big businesses asking to keep the endless flow of cheaper european labour alive so they can send food to Europe for them to eat?

 

[Joey66]

Joey you need to revise your figures.

ONS said a total of 650,000 in the year to June of which 284,000 were from the EU. Net migration was 300,000 three times the Government target.

22,000 Bulgarian and Romanians registered for NI numbers.

189,000 of the 284,000 came to work.

Esk just I played the BBC DP today here are the figures quoted -
33500 net migration found in June 2016
176000 got jobs
164000 were students
127000 not in the workplace
Romanians take up 1 in 10 jobs so the slating and warnings of Nigel Farage were incorrect his prediction came realistic!
Under the EU human rights act these EU citizens under free movement can not be deported !
those were the absolute figures quoted by Andrew Neil today!

 

[davmaher]

Just so I've read that right.

That's a load of big businesses asking to keep the endless flow of cheaper european labour alive so they can send food to Europe for them to eat?

Not exactly. The vast majority of the food they produce is for the UK market. Of the bit they export 75% goes to the EU.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Just so I've read that right.

That's a load of big businesses asking to keep the endless flow of cheaper european labour alive so they can send food to Europe for them to eat?

No, you haven't read it right. Firstly, they say 75% of our exports go to the EU, not all of our food goes there. Secondly, they aren't 'sending it to them', they're selling it to them. That's how trade works, you know, that trade with the rest of the world people bang on about. Thirdly, they don't mention cheap labour, they mention access to labour, ie the people wanting to do the work.

Apart from all that though, yeah, you read it right.

 

[bflefc]

Just so I've read that right.

That's a load of big businesses asking to keep the endless flow of cheaper european labour alive so they can send food to Europe for them to eat?

You read right. You couldn't make some of this stuff up really, could you? Some busineses are being cringeworthy in their attempts to avoid having to sort themselves out and pay appropriate salaries to people employed on proper contracts (not zero hour slave labour nonsense). Some of these latter-day Fagins are now staring down the barrel - - and I'm delighted.

 

[The Esk]

That's not accurate as the ones in work no one has dared to publish what I call the oncost figures the in work benefits if they are in low paid jobs etc in work benefits can be tax credits, Housing benefits etc etc until those figures are produced is any immigration a + or a minus on the figures, not just on contruburtions the benefits they claim listed above?
they even leave and get certain benefits sent back home?

Joey I published earlier that 2.2% of EU immigrants receive working age benefits. The EU immigrant population is 5.1 % of the UK population.

Given more of the EU immigrant population is of working age, you might expect the claimant figure to be higher than their proportion of the population.

The fact is it is 60% lower showing once and for all that the EU immigrant population claim less benefits per capita than the population as a whole whilst fully contributing to the tax take.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You read right. You couldn't make some of this stuff up really, could you? Some busineses are being cringeworthy in their attempts to avoid having to sort themselves out and pay appropriate salaries to people employed on proper contracts (not zero hour slave labour nonsense). Some of these latter-day Fagins are now staring down the barrel - - and I'm delighted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38089984

I imagine even the machines will be called Juan or something, just to annoy you