It will be the same both ways I think. Any good news will be spun by the pro-Brexit lot as proof that is was a good decision and any bad news will be taken by the anti-Brexit lot as proof that it was bad.
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That's fine PG, I acknowledge your post with you showing some dignity, but stop using words like falsehoods in etc as its just another word for calling someone a liar - I left the thread for a day, and you then turned, or ridiculed on @orly, and @peteblue - as I said we can all beg to differ without too much upset!
name calling and saying they are drunk is also out of order as I stated I have had worse post than off you on this thread, but you seem to be the protagonist, who sometimes won't let go the mods really do need to get an ignore button to work as we are all key board warriors, and when the alert goes off its very hard not to respond!
anyway let the debate on less personal terms continue in good humour!
It has not though as it ESA work capability are going to lose £30 per week in the Autumn statement Hammond quoted no changes on welfare, when Universal credit comes in Tax credit will be cut back to almost its original status - so i cannot see where those major changes are the report states as £ wise nothing much as changed?
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I wouldn't worry about us being ridiculed by @Pienaar's gloves Joey lol he's shown time and time again he doesn't understand the basics.
Remember though, he once did well in an A level module.
I would be wary of two ex prime ministers whose record in Europe is frightful -
major - Black Wednesday - took us in to the ERM cost the country Billions with the backlash against the Deutschmark, having to call his mps a group of BSDS because the disagreed with him on Europe - he signed treaties that sucked us into Europe even more!
Blair - a PM who first was all for joining the EURO - told us no embargo on migrant workers as only thousands would arrive, and millions did, then the Iraq war which financial, and human cost then and now is galling -
The pair of them have the nerve to say we should have another vote never in there PM lifetime did they ever get 52% vote to become PM on that sort of turnout -
next weekend Austria have elections if the equivalent Brexet group get in there's another country delusion of a country with the EU - Italy is at crisis point on its banks and its leader ready to step down if he loses the vote aas they want the Lira back -
Every one bangs on here about the pitfalls of leaving the EU - just look at the pitfalls of staying in for one moment if it breaks apart we are liable to bail them out even though we are supposed to be outside this it will happen as we are the second richest economy they will tell us what to do that's why people voted OUT!
The polictical elite the bully boys will decide if we are outvoted we are powerless!
You are on about people having their benefits reduced. That is a different point than the sanctioning regime when people are denied their benefits outright and have no money to live on. This is very often done under-handedly with DWP staff sanctioning those claiming benefits.
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This still happens regularly,visit any advice centre,food bank,basically anywhere that has to deal with the fall out from it
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I heard nothing in the Autumn statement, that changed any of that -the benefit cap regionally was the correct thing to do by the way!
I am afraid that will still go on IDS may have gone but his system apart from PIP rules are still there - ironically the tory clampdown on benefits as a whole as rocketed in cost it was just a propaganda item to gain votes - by hurting the alleged lazy people in this country by hurting everyone people in wheel chairs etc!
I heard nothing in the Autumn statement, that changed any of that -the benefit cap regionally was the correct thing to do by the way!
I can only go on the place I live. The sanctioning regime has 'all but stopped in Hull', to quote those working at food banks and advice centres as well as those working for the DWP. It may be different in different places. But to find whether this is correct or not would require a freedom of information request.
Look at my response above. Hull may be different but to quote people who working with those affected by austerity 'the sanction regime has all but stopped in Hull'.
Many of those forced to use food banks are the working poor.
I have yet to see any change in the nasty party food banks in the 21st century on the scale it is now is disgusting yes the benefit system needed a few tweaks, but Labour introduced the ATOS capability scheme the Tories abused it at what cost billion £ contracts to outside the UK companies both with bad records caused absolute mayhem and the sanctions were as you say like SS attention tactics!
It shocks me in this country that someone working full time needs to claim benefits (or visit food banks) to survive. If that doesn't tell us that (Brexit or no Brexit) something is wrong with the current political and economic system, then nothing does
peteblue
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Indeed, a new look is required......
I think it actually goes beyond or is an issue apart from Brexit or Remain (though it does explain why Brexit won the vote - and the lefties - of whom I'm one, the BBC, the Guardian etc do not understand this as their own economic situation is some way removed from the working, or non-working poor)
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