Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Armel]

Yes, I would qualify straight away for citizenship as I speak the language and will have an almost fully-paid pension here by the time I retire. But although I love living here (obviously) I would have to give up my British citizenship, which would potentially cause problems with family, partner, etc. Problematic either way... (which is why it is infuriating we didn't get to vote and Commonwealth residents in UK, for example, did).

Added: Before Austria was in the EU, you could live and work here but you had to apply for permission at the local government level and were granted a limited 'permission to stay' if successful (bit like Swiss but not as hard).

I understand your plight mate. You've been put in a very undesirable situation, not of your own choosing. If you ask me; the modalities of that referendum were a mess, no nuance once so ever. A mockery. Even so the cards have been dealt and it has to be respected (one way or another).

I didn't know that Austria doesn't allow double citizenship. Here in Belgium it's commonplace. I suppose you could put your trust in your current government that they work out some kind of reciprocal arrangement. How's your situation looking at the moment; how does retirement work for non-EU people who want to retire in Austria ?

 

[The Cowboy]

No jest at all mate. It's completely polarised the whole country.

But you know what? If two people were talking in the pub in January this year, and one felt we ought to leave the EU, and the other thought it was better to stay, that conversation would have passed off totally unremarkably. But the campaign led by both sides has created a civil war of the mind. The politicians in this country should be mortified, should be ashamed of how they've handled this. They've essentially assigned a set of hideously negative attributes to each side, swathing generalisations that have turned friend against friend. An utter disgrace.

 

[Barnfred 55]

But you know what? If two people were talking in the pub in January this year, and one felt we ought to leave the EU, and the other thought it was better to stay, that conversation would have passed off totally unremarkably. But the campaign led by both sides has created a civil war of the mind. The politicians in this country should be mortified, should be ashamed of how they've handled this. They've essentially assigned a set of hideously negative attributes to each side, swathing generalisations that have turned friend against friend. An utter disgrace.

Dont know how easy it is to isolate my posts in this thread but I must have posted similar comments at least twice mate.

 

[peteblue]

But you know what? If two people were talking in the pub in January this year, and one felt we ought to leave the EU, and the other thought it was better to stay, that conversation would have passed off totally unremarkably. But the campaign led by both sides has created a civil war of the mind. The politicians in this country should be mortified, should be ashamed of how they've handled this. They've essentially assigned a set of hideously negative attributes to each side, swathing generalisations that have turned friend against friend. An utter disgrace.

Tbf I couldn't stand Bruce before....... lol

 

[Joey66]

But you know what? If two people were talking in the pub in January this year, and one felt we ought to leave the EU, and the other thought it was better to stay, that conversation would have passed off totally unremarkably. But the campaign led by both sides has created a civil war of the mind. The politicians in this country should be mortified, should be ashamed of how they've handled this. They've essentially assigned a set of hideously negative attributes to each side, swathing generalisations that have turned friend against friend. An utter disgrace.

On here it would end up with a Liverpool Kisslol

 

[atrottel]

I didn't know that Austria doesn't allow double citizenship. Here in Belgium it's commonplace. I suppose you could put your trust in your current government that they work out some kind of reciprocal arrangement. How's your situation looking at the moment; how does retirement work for non-EU people who want to retire in Austria ?

Currently, all of the pension contributions you have earned over the years from European countries (including Germany, UK and Switzerland as well for me) get put together and the country of residence (Austria in this case) is responsible for getting the money and passing it on to you.

In the future, who knows? I can't imagine that you would be ineligible for a pension after you had paid your contributions in any country, but then the UK told me a while back I have to pay up three more years although they had said I was fully paid (because of later retirement age). And then you have the problem of whether any pension is index-linked (as it is with EU at the moment) or frozen (as in Australia and Canada).

And, of course, no-one in the govt. department has a clue because the pensions are all changing anyway...

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Currently, all of the pension contributions you have earned over the years from European countries (including Germany, UK and Switzerland as well for me) get put together and the country of residence (Austria in this case) is responsible for getting the money and passing it on to you.

In the future, who knows? I can't imagine that you would be ineligible for a pension after you had paid your contributions in any country, but then the UK told me a while back I have to pay up three more years although they had said I was fully paid (because of later retirement age). And then you have the problem of whether any pension is index-linked (as it is with EU at the moment) or frozen (as in Australia and Canada).

And, of course, no-one in the govt. department has a clue because the pensions are all changing anyway...

That's smart. Be interested to know if this is an international or just an EU thing?

 

[Armel]

Currently, all of the pension contributions you have earned over the years from European countries (including Germany, UK and Switzerland as well for me) get put together and the country of residence (Austria in this case) is responsible for getting the money and passing it on to you.

In the future, who knows? I can't imagine that you would be ineligible for a pension after you had paid your contributions in any country, but then the UK told me a while back I have to pay up three more years although they had said I was fully paid (because of later retirement age). And then you have the problem of whether any pension is index-linked (as it is with EU at the moment) or frozen (as in Australia and Canada).

And, of course, no-one in the govt. department has a clue because the pensions are all changing anyway...

Interesting. I think the monetary side will be less of an issue. I'll also assume that your pension will be indexed. Lots of open ends though; like your right of residence and such.

That's smart. Be interested to know if this is an international or just an EU thing?

I think you need bilateral treaties for such an arrangement. So in theory it's not only EU. I know Belgium has them with Morroco and such.

 

[Joey66]

My firm spread its pensions world wide it would be foolish to just put it in one pot, its wise for your firm to spread its dividends or you may have another Icelandic situation remember that?

 

[roydo]

That's smart. Be interested to know if this is an international or just an EU thing?

Private pensions have a recipricol arrangement with any countries that have agreements, which is most.

State pensions, not so sure on that.

 

[Blues Harp]

I certainly do not believe that everyone who voted leave are racist, or bigots - what concerns me is that the actual logistics of us invoking article 50 were not debated properly by either side. What saddens me is that remain or leave we will still have foodbanks, hungry families, and homeless people sleeping on the streets of supposedly one of the richest nations on earth....why are we allowing our NHS to be sold off to MPs' friends who have "interests" in private health companies? How will leaving/remaining in the EU make life better for those who have been apparently forgotten by our "governments"? I include the Blair/Brown tories in this also.

 

[The Esk]

If ever further evidence was required for the concerns expressed in this thread over Brexit, and the people supposedly negotiating it should it ever happen:

"David Davis is the man charged with making Brexit happen, and he loves it. Whether he’ll love it quite so much when talks with the EU actually begin, we shall find out, but in this painless period of phoney war, he seems utterly at ease.

This afternoon he was interrogated by the MPs of the Foreign Affairs select committee. An ordeal, you might imagine, but not for Mr Davis. He beamed, he bantered, he chortled. “I see nothing to fear in any outcome,” he breezed, when asked about his looming negotiations with the EU. “Get thee behind me, Satan!” he honked, when asked about the European Parliament’s chief Brexit negotiator, Guy Verhofstadt.

I didn’t realise it was possible to swagger while sitting down, but Mr Davis managed it.

After almost two hours of questioning, Crispin Blunt, the committee’s chairman, said, “You’ll be pleased to know we’re nearing the end.”

“Not at all,” twinkled Mr Davis. “I’m enjoying myself.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-satan-how-david-davis-mocked-a-major-eu-foe/

 

[Armel]

If ever further evidence was required for the concerns expressed in this thread over Brexit, and the people supposedly negotiating it should it ever happen:

"David Davis is the man charged with making Brexit happen, and he loves it. Whether he’ll love it quite so much when talks with the EU actually begin, we shall find out, but in this painless period of phoney war, he seems utterly at ease.

This afternoon he was interrogated by the MPs of the Foreign Affairs select committee. An ordeal, you might imagine, but not for Mr Davis. He beamed, he bantered, he chortled. “I see nothing to fear in any outcome,” he breezed, when asked about his looming negotiations with the EU. “Get thee behind me, Satan!” he honked, when asked about the European Parliament’s chief Brexit negotiator, Guy Verhofstadt.

I didn’t realise it was possible to swagger while sitting down, but Mr Davis managed it.

After almost two hours of questioning, Crispin Blunt, the committee’s chairman, said, “You’ll be pleased to know we’re nearing the end.”

“Not at all,” twinkled Mr Davis. “I’m enjoying myself.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-satan-how-david-davis-mocked-a-major-eu-foe/

Never understood the negotiation strategy of appointing unlikable people.

 

[roydo]

Never understood the negotiation strategy of appointing unlikable people.

Nor winding up your opposite number.

Terrifying having these folk negotiate our Nations future.

 

[atrottel]

Private pensions have a recipricol arrangement with any countries that have agreements, which is most.

State pensions, not so sure on that.

I was referring to state pensions earlier - within the EU (and whatever Switzerland is these days) all state entitlements are collated, collected and disbursed by the country of residence on retirement.

See here