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[orly]

Why did you just post an image of a Commonwealth cemetery and how does it relate to Verhofstadt being slightly disappointed by the minister of a member state calling him Satan?

Oh and crucially, what does WWI have to do with this?

Sigh.

 

[1966efc]

Why did you just post an image of a Commonwealth cemetery and how does it relate to Verhofstadt being slightly disappointed by the minister of a member state calling him Satan?

Oh and crucially, what does WWI have to do with this?

Perfectly obvious given what I was replying to. Work it out.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Sigh.

I'm not sure how the relationship of the UK (via David Davis) and Mr Verhofstadt relate to World War I.

I'm open to finding out.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Perfectly obvious given what I was replying to. Work it out.

Yeah, er, I don't think the poster you were quoting was calling folk who died in a war out as bigoted.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The next one is more important. Will Poland or the Baltic States call on Luxembourg or Belgium if Putin rattles a sabre? Oh, and here are some of your bigoted countrymen at a little village outside Ieper.

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O K to mention them?

Not if you're doing so to score points on a discussion forum. That's pretty shameful to be honest.

 

[1966efc]

Yeah, er, I don't think the poster you were quoting was calling folk who died in a war out as bigoted.

Not if you're doing so to score points on a discussion forum. That's pretty shameful to be honest.

Bigoted: that word is one I haven't used before now - I've left it to posters supporting Remain. It was used as a sarcastic reflection of comments made here.

Shameful: I'm not sure that even a GOT mod is a moral arbiter and I don't accept your comment.

I'll give my AS level politics intro from days of yore: history isn't a series of blobs of events and famous people. It's a continuum. The history of war both in the East and in the cockpit of Europe suggests, really quite strongly, that British involvement is sought and given (not always altruistically) to help sort matters out. That's realpolitik and something I would be astonished to find isn't used as a bargaining tool in the upcoming negotiations. The visual representation of this in the Passchendaele photo was to help focus the minds on this continuum and to give a counterpoint to the tiresome assertions of bigotry, racism etc. that appear so frequently in this thread.

One of the many ironies of the result was that had the the Remain side had anything to offer other than economic argument, they might have reflected on your national psyche and how best to deal with it - and your national psyche has been forged as much by the Somme and Passchendaele as by GDP figures and visa requirements for the fortnight's holiday in Malaga.

 

[peteblue]

One of our Ministers referred to him as Satan yesterday, I can't help but think that the UK is the aggressor here.

Then you haven't heard him speak at the European Parliament have you. The man just wants a United States of Europe and has very little time for the UK.....personally I think he will aid our exit.....

 

[peteblue]

Don't forget the war though. It might have been 70 years ago, but still. Rule Britannia.

That's quite a disgraceful thing to say, so soon after Remembrance Sunday.....

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Then you haven't heard him speak at the European Parliament have you. The man just wants a United States of Europe and has very little time for the UK.....personally I think he will aid our exit.....

I've not heard him no, and I don't know if he's a federalist, but calling the people your negotiating with out as Satan is a fairly aggressive way to go about negotiations.

 

[orly]

I've not heard him no, and I don't know if he's a federalist, but calling the people your negotiating with out as Satan is a fairly aggressive way to go about negotiations.

So once again, you've waded in without bothering to do the slightest research, and then keep going on about people 'not explaining it to you'.

Double sigh.

 

[SNova]

Then you haven't heard him speak at the European Parliament have you. The man just wants a United States of Europe and has very little time for the UK.....personally I think he will aid our exit.....

I can't stand the Guy.

 

[Walken]

So once again, you've waded in without bothering to do the slightest research, and then keep going on about people 'not explaining it to you'.

Double sigh.

triple sigh!!!!

 

[peteblue]

I'm not sure how the relationship of the UK (via David Davis) and Mr Verhofstadt relate to World War I.

I'm open to finding out.

It is fairly obvious and also a matter of record, you do like stats and things don't you. When the crap hits the fan, as it does on a daily regular basis, and Putin starts making threats, the northern countries and Baltic countries will not be asking Belgium or Luxembourg for help because they quite frankly are an irrelevance. They will, as always, be asking the UK and the USA for assistance. The Uk spends a great deal of money on it's military infrastructure, the USA spends a massive amount, which is not paid for by other countries. This military does not come for free and it is a timely reminder that our input to Europe is not just paid in economic trade, but by military investment and indeed by our previous generations in lives. Our military contribution should and no doubt will be a negotiating factor......

 

[orly]

triple sigh!!!!

It's a sigh-o-rama and @Pienaar's gloves is the Sighmaster

 

[peteblue]

I can't stand the Guy.

He looks and behaves exactly what he is, a failed politician from a very small country, with grandiose ideas that require the use of other peoples money. I'm just glad that the Eu will be stuck with him.......