Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Joey66 said:
If we stay in the EU then yes!
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peteblue said:
These freedoms have given 99.9% of UK people nothing that they did not have within an EEC free trade area. So why do we need to be part of a USE, which is the end game in all of this. Do you not see that our freedoms, the freedom to strike trade deals, the freedom to allow into the UK those that we want, the freedom not to be dictated to by a foreign body, the freedom to set our own laws, the freedom to spend our own money as we want, are just as important.

I understand your concern regarding far right groups in Europe, but why do you steadfastly refuse to accept that it's the current path of the EU and specifically Merkel and Juncker who are creating the opportunities for these groups to grow......
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The thing is Pete, I don't see people outside of the UK as somehow different or an enemy in some way. Quite the opposite, and that's perhaps where we differ, for when I see freedom I see it as from the perspective of a human being, whereas you seem to see it from the perspective of a Briton.

Regarding your last point. Is it not illustrative that the majority of people opposing migrants come from places where there aren't many? That in itself suggests it isn't the migrant themselves that is the problem, but rather fear of the migrant. It is wrong to place the blame for someones actions on people who have by and large done nothing wrong at all. I would much rather place the blame on those who stoke those fears for their own ends, because rest assured Trump, Farage et al don't give two hoots for those who have elected them.
 
Moomin said:
I think it's quite clear no plan no nothing.

New referendum for next year with a proper plan of how to leave.

After all, Farage did say a close vote of 52 - 48 would require a second referendum.
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As much as I'd like to see the government showing signs of a coherent plan by now, are you saying there should've been a plan in place for Brexit before the vote? The majority of the government didn't want to leave, and I don't think expected a leave vote, so I'm not sure how much planning was really expected to have taken place? It'd only have been deemed a costly waste of effort if it'd been a remain win.
 
The Cowboy said:
As much as I'd like to see the government showing signs of a coherent plan by now, are you saying there should've been a plan in place for Brexit before the vote? The majority of the government didn't want to leave, and I don't think expected a leave vote, so I'm not sure how much planning was really expected to have taken place? It'd only have been deemed a costly waste of effort if it'd been a remain win.
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Osbourne had a plan - massive tax increases.
 
tsubaki said:
No-one should be made to shut up - but given the way in which politics / the media have been telling us how to vote, who to vote for and who to hate I can understand why people feel emboldened to act in a similar way, though obviously they are deeply misguided to act like that.
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Difference in making an argument to PG childish antics look at his post below it's 5th form debating IMO
Classing everyone mainly me as stupid annoys me!
I get trolled by him most days but hey ho - not been well recently he's kept me entertained with his wit and enthusiasm - Notlol
 
The Cowboy said:
As much as I'd like to see the government showing signs of a coherent plan by now, are you saying there should've been a plan in place for Brexit before the vote? The majority of the government didn't want to leave, and I don't think expected a leave vote, so I'm not sure how much planning was really expected to have taken place? It'd only have been deemed a costly waste of effort if it'd been a remain win.
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If the Remain had won I think the backlash would have died after one month - the reprocussions of staying in a broken EU may have been just as damaging IMO!
Italy is the next country coming up IT bonds on loans have spiked the leader has put a vote to his country he is behind in the polls - the opposing party want an end to EU austerity and want the lira back let's see how that pans out if that goes against the EU that's a blow to them?
 
Joey66 said:
Difference in making an argument to PG childish antics look at his post below it's 5th form debating IMO
Classing everyone mainly me as stupid annoys me!
I get trolled by him most days but hey ho - not been well recently he's kept me entertained with his wit and enthusiasm - Notlol
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I literally highlight your words and send them back to you and ask if you can back them up, almost every time.
 
Joey66 said:
Difference in making an argument to PG childish antics look at his post below it's 5th form debating IMO
Classing everyone mainly me as stupid annoys me!
I get trolled by him most days but hey ho - not been well recently he's kept me entertained with his wit and enthusiasm - Notlol
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This has been a particularly distasteful reaction that has been very prevalent since the referendum. Everyone who voted Leave is one or more of the following:

A racist
A bigot
A xenophobia
Stupid
A UKIP voter
Wrong

Or you could simply believe the EU is not fit for purpose and a change is required.
 
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