Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Tubey said:
You said the fee we pay to the single market had no return, so yes, I stick to the term "crackpot". Even most Leave supporters recognise there's an obvious and large economic benefit to being in it - you, for whatever reason your own head comes up with, don't. So be it.
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Its the fee though is it ? its a polictical union that dictate to us - their rules well i for one know where they can stick them!
 
Tubey said:
Again, that's why you take everything you can and come to a conclusion based on the likelihood of the arguments presented.

https://www.ft.com/content/68c61094-3870-11e6-a780-b48ed7b6126f

When you have so many institutions suggesting one outcome, you have to have pretty strong reasons to go against the grain, otherwise you're arguing the contrary without applying logic.

When you have this statement...



... then you have to look at why they're coming to that outcome and deem whether it's a reasonable conclusion. To me, their conclusions are extremely reasonable, to the point where I do honestly equate anyone dismissing it as akin to denying climate change at this point. Yes, they aren't concrete stats, and perhaps none of those models will play out, but the direction of traffic will almost certainly be largely the same on this one at the end of it.
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As I said earlier though Tubey, predictions are rarely worth the paper they are written on. You can have the most precise details of economic performance for the Uk and the EU and then the Oil producers raise or lower their prices, Russia decides to go to war with Ukraine, the banks have another crisis. No one can predict what will definitively happen next week never mind in ten or twenty years......
 
Joey66 said:
Its the fee though is it ? its a polictical union that dictate to us - their rules well i for one know where they can stick them!
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I don't really know what you're saying, but I'll say it again - we get massive benefits from the fee we give for membership of that single market.

It's up to you whether those economic benefits are worth being in that political union, but to say we don't get those benefits is just stupid.
 
peteblue said:
As I said earlier though Tubey, predictions are rarely worth the paper they are written on. You can have the most precise details of economic performance for the Uk and the EU and then the Oil producers raise or lower their prices, Russia decides to go to war with Ukraine, the banks have another crisis. No one can predict what will definitively happen next week never mind in ten or twenty years......
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So what do you do instead mate, just randomly decide stuff without thinking about it?

Because that seems to me to be the only alternative.
 
Joey66 said:
We had no fuss like this when we joined we just accepted the vote!
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Joey66 said:
Yes but my post if you ever read anyones post that disagrees with you is if we had not spaffed our chance development would have been made in that area with our EU directives not funds as it was our monies anyway!
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I've read hundreds upon hundreds of posts Joey, you're aware of this.

We did cock it up, the EU spent the money. There's nothing more to it than that.
 
Tubey said:
So what do you do instead mate, just randomly decide stuff without thinking about it?

Because that seems to me to be the only alternative.
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No, you do your projections, you make your plans, you produce your risk plans and strategic alternatives, but just remember that they almost certainly will not be correct and that it's how you are able to react and how flexible you are able to be that keeps you on the straight and narrow. Just following a rulebook or a plan leads to disaster....

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder...
"No plan of operations extends with any certainty beyond the first contact with the main hostile force."
 
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