Pienaar's gloves
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No mate, Bramley Moore Dock or Croxteth apparently.
The old Kings Dock plan would have been closer to the Echo Arena, not L1.
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No mate, Bramley Moore Dock or Croxteth apparently.
The old Kings Dock plan would have been closer to the Echo Arena, not L1.
Except that's not a fact, at all, in any way. Indeed, it's the opposite of a fact. A lie.
Pienaar's gloves
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I dispute. The Leave Campaign were strongly criticising for claiming we 'paid over' £350M. It was closer to £250M.
Actually even less. It was £18bn per year (£350m), minus £5bn instant rebate and £4bn in EU payments to the UK. So it was closer to £175-200m.
Oh, and that £100bn black hole in the budget? Tip of the iceberg.
Unfortunately, you've all been looking short term and thinking everything is great because nothing has happened yet. Key word is "yet". It's not even being pessimistic or doom-mongering either; the hit to our economy will be substantial and is absolutely inevitable, especially in the case of a hard Brexit.
Unfortunately, you've all been looking short term and thinking everything is great because nothing has happened yet. Key word is "yet". It's not even being pessimistic or doom-mongering either; the hit to our economy will be substantial and is absolutely inevitable, especially in the case of a hard Brexit.
Whistlin' Dixie
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And a bargain at twice that, eh?
The cost of EU membership was/is a massive bargain for us, yes. It gave us a dominant role in one of the biggest trading markets in the world.
The amount of money we made from it puts that membership fee to shame, but you won't realise just how important it was until we're out of it.
Whistlin' Dixie
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Nope.
And a bargain at twice that, eh?
@The Esk has posted several times the economic benefits accruing from single market membership, and they are generally many times that figures, so yeah, pretty much
OK, let's pretend we pay £18bn a year to the EU. We don't, but that's the upper scale.
The CBI estimates that the net benefit of EU membership is worth 4-5% of GDP to the UK, or £62bn-£78bn per year.
It's really that simple. Leaving the EU doesn't have an economic argument that holds any water whatsoever.
dead_soft
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Strong argument.
@The Esk has posted several times the economic benefits accruing from single market membership, and they are generally many times that figures, so yeah, pretty much
That's the tragedy of the EU vote. If the Remain campaign had led with stone cold figures about the benefits of membership, nobody in their right mind could have voted to leave. Instead, they rambled on with the Scottish referendum logic of being "better together" etc.
It could have been this simple - would you rather have ten pounds in your pocket, or fifty quid?
I suppose that's the thing though, logic wasn't really a factor, just as it wasn't in the Trump election.
Pienaar's gloves
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It's a case of who lies better and bigger now.
Politics has changed now, I blame reality TV and I remember saying in the early 2000's this will be the downfall of us.
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