Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Tubey said:
Simple two questions.

1) Did you vote on how to leave?

2) If not, is it fair for parliament to decide how we leave, to the benefit of the country?
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Seems to me the remain want their cake and to eat it.

1) We certainly didn't vote to stay
2) We voted in a Government to take care of such things for us. No other party was voted into power so no other party should get to decide how we leave.

I'm amazed people still want to stay despite what Juncker and some others have said about us
 
SNova said:
They can decide the way we leave as long as we leave. Staying within the single market with free movement of people etc. Is not leaving.

Many politicians start their speech with "I respect the vote of the people and we are going to leave..... But we want to stay in the single market of course"

Just like we were told we joined a common market. An attempt to deceive the plebs, the plebs that don't have their visionary globalist ideals.
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Whether you like it or not, parliament represent the people of the country. So they act in accordance to getting the best for the people.

You might disagree with how they do that, but democracy in political action is all about 'outsourcing' the say of the people to selected people in a position of power to act on their behalf.

You have a non-binary referendum result. It's a powerful advisory measure to parliament. They will act on it. But they will not do so to the detriment of the country if new evidence emerges. Any action other than that would be negligent.

Therefore, we simply have to be in a position to turn down the terms of exit if those set by the EU are not good enough. If we don't give our MPs that power, then the irony is that we've handed more power to the EU than ever before on the most important issue in a generation.

I don't want Brexit "watered down" - I want it cancelled obviously; but if it does have to happen, I want it done with the very best possible terms for our country. Telling the EU they can set whatever terms they want and we'll leave anyway (which is what we would effectively be doing if we took that referendum as a binding result, which thankfully it isn't) would be mind-numbingly stupid.

Trust the politicians on this one and let them do their job. It's apparently what you wanted to the leave the EU for in the first place.
 
Seathestars said:
Seems to me the remain want their cake and to eat it.

1) We certainly didn't vote to stay
2) We voted in a Government to take care of such things for us. No other party was voted into power so no other party should get to decide how we leave.

I'm amazed people still want to stay despite what Juncker and some others have said about us
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You didn't answer either question. They are "yes" or "no" questions.
 
Tubey said:
Whether you like it or not, parliament represent the people of the country. So they act in accordance to getting the best for the people.

You might disagree with how they do that, but democracy in political action is all about 'outsourcing' the say of the people to selected people in a position of power to act on their behalf.

You have a non-binary referendum result. It's a powerful advisory measure to parliament. They will act on it. But they will not do so to the detriment of the country if new evidence emerges. Any action other than that would be negligent.

Therefore, we simply have to be in a position to turn down the terms of exit if those set by the EU are not good enough. If we don't give our MPs that power, then the irony is that we've handed more power to the EU than ever before on the most important issue in a generation.

I don't want Brexit "watered down" - I want it cancelled obviously; but if it does have to happen, I want it done with the very best possible terms for our country. Telling the EU they can set whatever terms they want and we'll leave anyway (which is what we would effectively be doing if we took that referendum as a binding result, which thankfully it isn't) would be mind-numbingly stupid.

Trust the politicians on this one and let them do their job. It's apparently what you wanted to the leave the EU for in the first place.
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With or without a deal. We should leave. I'd rather have no deal than some of the watered down ones I've heard people suggest.
 
Tubey said:
Again, you aren't reading what I'm saying. I'm not saying have a vote on Article 50. I'm saying have a vote on the terms once they're known after Article 50 has been triggered.

If they aren't acceptable terms, we should be able to reject them, otherwise there is no point negotiating at all.

This really isn't hard.
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Once you sign article 50 we have left out ok
FGS it's a massive step but respect the will of the people in the UK they all new what leaving meant independence from a EU in trouble berocratic nightmare ahead!
Italy will be the next country to suffer from the EU!
Labour MPs will vote article 50 through you are just trying to split hairs here the court ruling is only on article 50 not negotiations!
 
Tubey said:
Whether you like it or not, parliament represent the people of the country. So they act in accordance to getting the best for the people.

You might disagree with how they do that, but democracy in political action is all about 'outsourcing' the say of the people to selected people in a position of power to act on their behalf.

You have a non-binary referendum result. It's a powerful advisory measure to parliament. They will act on it. But they will not do so to the detriment of the country if new evidence emerges. Any action other than that would be negligent.

Therefore, we simply have to be in a position to turn down the terms of exit if those set by the EU are not good enough. If we don't give our MPs that power, then the irony is that we've handed more power to the EU than ever before on the most important issue in a generation.

I don't want Brexit "watered down" - I want it cancelled obviously; but if it does have to happen, I want it done with the very best possible terms for our country. Telling the EU they can set whatever terms they want and we'll leave anyway (which is what we would effectively be doing if we took that referendum as a binding result, which thankfully it isn't) would be mind-numbingly stupid.

Trust the politicians on this one and let them do their job. It's apparently what you wanted to the leave the EU for in the first place.
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That last sentence yes along with 17.5 million other people your just a bad loser IMO!
 
Joey66 said:
Once you sign article 50 we have left out ok
FGS it's a massive step but respect the will of the people in the UK they all new what leaving meant independence from a EU in trouble berocratic nightmare ahead!
Italy will be the next country to suffer from the EU!
Labour MPs will vote article 50 through you are just trying to split hairs here the court ruling is only on article 50 not negotiations!
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No we haven't.

Also, not talking about court ruling. That's not the issue for me - that really is a splitting of hairs as to who activates Article 50.

My point is beyond that - it's about how we actually leave long after Article 50 is activated, because in any time in those two years we can cancel it and start over.
 
Tubey said:
Ha.

I did. You didn't answer them. It's simple - did you vote on how to leave, and if not, should parliament decide how we leave?
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No, we didn't vote how to leave but we voted leave.
No, I believe the Government is perfectly capable of getting us the deals we need.

How do you feel about Juncker and his comment 'it won't be an amicable divorce, but it was never a good marriage', are you happy with this guy
 
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