Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Tubey]

Its not his agenda it's the 17.5 million you are dismissing their vote!
the ballot paper was voted in parliament the sovereign government by a 6-1 vote on the detail of the ballot paper the cost of a 3 month campaign - It was the conservatives who promised a referendum it was in their manifesto.
How legal do you want it ?????????????
let the supreme court rule over this debarcle where big business put up a patsy to deny the signing of article 50- let the battle commence even if it is overruled you will shout foul play - no doubts!

And it was the Conservatives who said yes to the European Union in their manifesto.

You can't pick and choose mandates. The Tories were voted in on being pro-EU in their manifesto, so therefore you should respect that mandate and allow them a free vote to be pro-EU in parliament, given the referendum was advisory.

 

[Tubey]

So you think we should go into a negotiation with the EU with them knowing that if they give us a bad deal we'll eventually vote to stay?

No, that isn't the mindset I mean. The fact is that regardless of what we do, we have to accept the EU terms of leaving - this was known well before the referendum happened. The word "negotiation" isn't even accurate, because there barely is one to be had. We have no say in the matter.

What I'm saying is that we have to have a choice as to being able to turn down their terms, because politically it's beneficial to be able to say the EU is trying to bully us with unfair terms, which gives us a greater negotiating hand.

It's the difference between letting the EU dictate whatever they want to us, and being able to say they don't respect the democratic will of the United Kingdom by imposing ridiculous terms on us.

 

[SNova]

No, that isn't the mindset I mean. The fact is that regardless of what we do, we have to accept the EU terms of leaving - this was known well before the referendum happened. The word "negotiation" isn't even accurate, because there barely is one to be had. We have no say in the matter.

What I'm saying is that we have to have a choice as to being able to turn down their terms, because politically it's beneficial to be able to say the EU is trying to bully us with unfair terms, which gives us a greater negotiating hand.

It's the difference between letting the EU dictate whatever they want to us, and being able to say they don't respect the democratic will of the United Kingdom by imposing ridiculous terms on us.

They need us. If they do give us a bad deal, which is unlikely, then we just leave.

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The majority of parliament will do everything they can to keep us within the EU, which is why I don't want their grubby little hands anywhere near the European question.

I know it's been a while since we were a sovereign nation, but I think it's time for some to start believing that Britain can be a cable country.

 

[Tubey]

The majority of parliament will do everything they can to keep us within the EU, which is why I don't want their grubby little hands anywhere near the European question.

But didn't you want sovereign democracy for our elected representatives in parliament? I thought that was the whole point of leaving the EU?

Or is that only when it suits you?

 

[SNova]

But didn't you want sovereign democracy for our elected representatives in parliament? I thought that was the whole point of leaving the EU?

Or is that only when it suits you?

Yes, but not to give away our sovereignty. It is not theirs to give away. We borrow it to them every five years. It should remain in tact at the end of those five years.

I agree with Tony Benn on this issue.

 

[Tubey]

Yes, but not to give away our sovereignty. It is not theirs to give away. We borrow it to them every five years. It should remain in tact at the end of those five years.

I agree with Tony Benn on this issue.

What do you mean, "give away our sovereignty"? For them to actually have that power is the greatest example of sovereignty you could possibly have!

So again, it just means you only want them to be sovereign as long as they're sovereign in accordance to what you want. Which is BS, frankly.

The UK has voted in an advisory referendum to leave the EU. Respect parliament to take that advice under consideration and let them get on with doing what we elected them to do - act for the best interests of this country.

 

[Joey66]

And it was the Conservatives who said yes to the European Union in their manifesto.

You can't pick and choose mandates. The Tories were voted in on being pro-EU in their manifesto, so therefore you should respect that mandate and allow them a free vote to be pro-EU in parliament, given the referendum was advisory.

They put it to the people after many renaged promises of ever having a referendrum - UKIP were in their way they thought let's shoot the rabbit now the out vote a legitimate vote led to the demise of Cameron and Osborne now the ones who can not accept the OUT vote are trying unwisely to put the genie back in the bottle!
Also the UK cannot negotiate a deal with the EU untill article 50 is signed so saying what you want before hand is a pointless exercise IMO!

 

[SNova]

What do you mean, "give away our sovereignty"? For them to actually have that power is the greatest example of sovereignty you could possibly have!

So again, it just means you only want them to be sovereign as long as they're sovereign in accordance to what you want. Which is BS, frankly.

The UK has voted in an advisory referendum to leave the EU. Respect parliament to take that advice under consideration and let them get on with doing what we elected them to do - act for the best interests of this country.

It's quite simple mate. The majority of MP'S voted to remain. The majority of the people voted to leave. They should take our advice and implement it.

If this were the other way around I suspect you'd be outraged.

 

[roydo]

They put it to the people after many renaged promises of ever having one UKIP were in their way they thought let's shoot the rabbit now the out vote a legitimate vote led to the demise of Cameron and Osborne now the ones who can not accept the OUT vote are trying unwisely to put the genie back in the bottle!
Also the UK cannot negotiate a deal with the EU untill article 50 is signed so saying what you want before hand is a pointless exercise IMO!

Dont think anyone is disputing the result Joey, just what exactly needs to be done to make the negotiations legal, and to make the result a piece of law/binding.
Not going to pretend I knew that an act of Parliament would be needed after the vote, but I did flag up that it would need some sort of legal status at some point.

 

[roydo]

They should take our advice and implement it.

I agree. But the SNP for one wont vote to pass it.

 

[SNova]

I agree. But the SNP for one wont vote to pass it.

Which is understandable. As Scotland did not vote to leave. They are representing their constituency. As most MP'S should in the vote.

If MP'S do that it'll be fine. But I don't trust them whatsoever.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisapple...ext-election?utm_term=.hfavREla67#.ogZvPMgGwy

 

[PhilM]

It's quite simple mate. The majority of MP'S voted to remain. The majority of the people voted to leave. They should take our advice and implement it.

And I am almost certain that they will regardless of their original sentiments, as to do otherwise would be akin to political suicide for many.

I'm confident that there will be a vote in Parliament, which there should be as the Courts have advised, and it will favour the referendum decision.

The whole furore that has arisen from the decision to require a vote is being unnecessarily manipulated by different parties for different ends.

 

[Tubey]

They put it to the people after many renaged promises of ever having a referendrum - UKIP were in their way they thought let's shoot the rabbit now the out vote a legitimate vote led to the demise of Cameron and Osborne now the ones who can not accept the OUT vote are trying unwisely to put the genie back in the bottle!
Also the UK cannot negotiate a deal with the EU untill article 50 is signed so saying what you want before hand is a pointless exercise IMO!

I'm not saying to say what we want before hand - I'm saying vote on the terms once they're known.

 

[roydo]

Which is understandable. As Scotland did not vote to leave. They are representing their constituency. As most MP'S should in the vote.
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If MP'S do that it'll be fine. But I don't trust them whatsoever.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisapple...ext-election?utm_term=.hfavREla67#.ogZvPMgGwy

Interesting breakdown that. They should follow that. Then its all legal, binding, and we can all have a cup of tea.

 

[Tubey]

It's quite simple mate. The majority of MP'S voted to remain. The majority of the people voted to leave. They should take our advice and implement it.

If this were the other way around I suspect you'd be outraged.

That's exactly what I'm saying. However, you just said you don't want them "anywhere near it."

So which is it?

They're elected to represent our best interests - do you really think they should leave the EU on whatever terms the EU sets just because a non-binary referendum vaguely advised them to?