Interestingly Trumps election will mean we will be in for a very favourable free trade agreement with the states.
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Them all.
The EU is in its last days. It's days are numbered. And it's because the political elites of the west have ignored the people for too long and done nothing but try to safeguard their vested interests.
Mentioned this on the Trump thread, I wonder if we'll still be at the back of the queue (Obama) now Trump has been elected considering he backed us to come out of the EU.
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As is their right in a democratic society.
Zaschrona
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Liberalism is losing everywhere lately. Such a good thing for this planet. Liberalism does not work, same as socialism or communism. Bigger state, higher taxes, bigger regulation, that is a way to failure, to lower growth, to bigger corupation. Rich people are only going to move out their business out of the country or tax it elsewhere. That is America today, that is EU. Liberalism also awards people who fail too much - too big unemployment insurance, welfare and other giveaway money. Liberalism environmental policy is an another thing that undermines economy and people too. Liberalism also brings these unexpected things we see. We have Brexit just because of EU. It is EU's failure, and the problem of its non-working liberalism policy. Better to get out of it for Britain sooner than later. You can only guess which countries in the world have economies with the lowest growth. EU countries. So slow, so inefficient and stupid policies. And it is not only EU, it is the majority of governments in Europe. These liberals there are like totalitarians. They only want to control everything and everyone. I know it very well as a citizen of a country that suffered more than 40 years under communism and now many of these ex-communist are coming back here as "liberals". Just search for names like Andrej Babis or Robert Fico...
Haven't they been discussing to put something in place to stop other countries leaving, shows those in Brussels are worried about it happening.
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We won't. We will be at the front. Well in front of the rest of the EU. He will rip up the current EU trade deal.
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Out of reality as always. Living in their bubble.
Brexit is fine, Trump is fine, the events are nothing it's just change a process of transition, the difficult peice is delivering on the political idealism that was promised and the decision not just being puff of smoke rethoric. I think both won't end well personally. I think broadly there will be hardship.
The real numbers of interest rather then the simple vote in the demography of who voted, how and their make up on both issues.
I think after the period of remembrance observed in the UK and poppy etc. the 100 years of deconstructing well extremist nationalism, its effects and empowering a harmonised democratic world that those people fought for, has really in their own countries in the space of two votes done away with.
May we live in interesting times. Hope it goes as well as it can behind the walls.
The real numbers of interest rather then the simple vote in the demography of who voted, how and their make up on both issues.
I think after the period of remembrance observed in the UK and poppy etc. the 100 years of deconstructing well extremist nationalism, its effects and empowering a harmonised democratic world that those people fought for, has really in their own countries in the space of two votes done away with.
May we live in interesting times. Hope it goes as well as it can behind the walls.
If the Brexit vote had been voted for on a general election first past the post system this is how it would have panned out -
had the EU referendum been carried out on a constituency level, then the Leave camp would have triumphed in 401 of 632 British constituencies.
One massive big majority with the Labour party being wiped out as most UK {not Scotland} in northern strongholds on the highest turnout of 72% highest for decades.
The mood of the people imo will not change as the High court may have delayed the inevitable imo!
I was more talking of the socio-demographics mate.
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Disagree totally - in a world where the US turns protectionist and we leave our main market for goods and services, what exactly are we facing?
Trump in the White House means more than ever we need the single market or customs union at least..
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But conservatives have carried the day, by far, since the 70s in the US and 80s in the UK. In terms of economic policy, they have won the debate so totally that it was Democrats in the US who gutted welfare, financial regulation, and the tax base. Thatcher famously considered Tony Blair to be her proudest political achievement. The global anger reflected in elections now is in response to the destruction wrought by right-wing economic policy, even if relatively (but not ultra) rich naive culturally smug cosmopolitan urbanites are more satisfying targets for it.
Social democracy has been receding for decades in Anglo-Saxon countries. If the smaller states, lower taxes, and less regulation (often, ironically, described as "economic liberalism") that have replaced it are so successful, then why is everyone so unhappy?
It was interesting to contrast the responses from May and Merkel yesterday. Merkel essentially says that Germany is happy to work with America providing Trump retains basic decency towards people of whatever race, colour or creed. May nothing like as statesman like.
But then Trump is a very strong critic of the EU and is likely to scrap and renegotiate their trade deal. So where does that leave the EU.
Trump has a reasonable amount of business interests in the UK too. And we all know what politicians are like with a vested interest at play...
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