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    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

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GEC was not mismanaged. Gordon brown introduced a tax on telecommunications operating companies known as 3G licences, by way of a bidding competition. He took out £Billions which meant that the operators cut back on equipment purchase and infrastructure. Marconi, as GEC now was, had it's customer base completely removed almost overnight and this single act resulted in it's eventual demise......

lol

Simpson took a company making good money with a healthy balance sheet and cash reserves and in 2001 racked up the biggest annual loss in UK corporate history at that time - £5BN. Most of the loss being "goodwill impairment" due to their complete mismanagement of their US acquisitions, which they compounded by paying for in cash rather than equity. Blaming Brown for the demise of Marconi is delusional
 
I'll refer you to a previous answer I've given



Yes there will be opportunities outside of Europe but the cost of leaving the EU completely negates them.

The opportunity cost is huge. I'd rather we stay in Europe and focus on how the EU with 500 million consumers manages to sell more to us with 60 million consumers than we do to them.

The EU has a combined GDP 6 times greater than the UK - much better we focused on increasing trade with our partners to reduce the trade gap than withdraw and have to seek new agreements and new markets elsewhere.
Those consumers come from countries who are smaller and other big ones in dire financial trouble in Bold!
we subsidise them to the tune of a loss of 8.5 billion year on year also we have been told all membership of the big players in the EU is having to go up!
Every expert has got it wrong since brexit other than the pound falling growth up - nissan not just staying but expanding -
The judgement yesterday only stated that parliment should have the right to vote over article 50 nothing more nothing less which is a good thing as it looks like with labour being so weak most labour MPs will vote it through-
Cross party talks are already going on you can amend Brexit anyway you want The german foreign secretary stated today no negotiations till article 50 is signed so putting down on paper what we demand now is pointless as even a soft brexit may get two fingers salute from the EU - why PM DC came back with virtually a blank piece of paper frustrated he was warned yet still held the vote and lost it resigned with some sort of dignity , but having no plans in place by civil service was a bad error as he thought he would win!
 
Needless to say you and I will not see eye to eye on this, so be it. But you have never responded to my point about the future of the EU as outlined in Merkel's speech and the same attitude being quietly mentioned by Juncker plus some high up folk talking of harmonising tax rates across the EU. Now to me this would be a greater cost to our country.


Part of the unpublicised agenda. Wouldn't do to frighten the voters.
 
3G spectrum licenses were auctioned in the UK, the major operators were desperate to be involved and bid a total of about £22Bn which went into the governments coffers. This single destructive act set off the chain of events which led to the demise of the UK telecoms manufacturing Industry of which Marconi was the big beast.......

My understanding was that the implementation of 3G required huge technology and hardware investment by the mobile operators, so rather that investment in the sector fell, investment in the sector continued to rise post the 3G auction.

Perhaps after the disaster of Simpson and Mayo, Marconi were just not in a position to take advantage of the situation.

If memory serves me right Marconi joined a consortium with Virgin and one other to bid for licences?
 
Those consumers come from countries who are smaller and other big ones in dire financial trouble in Bold!

So the citizens of Germany, France, Scandinavia, Belgium, Holland, Austria, Northern Italy, the major Iberian cities have no purchasing power? Is that what you are saying?
 
> let me educate you on why you are completely wrong

The establishment gained the votes of the working class due to a combination of the following factors;

The mistaken idea they were sticking it to the Tories and the 'haves'.

Racists and xenophobes in a provincial crap hole (see Hull for details)

They fell for the spin of the right wing rags and the Leave and Farage knackers

They're thick (see above for details)
Once upon a time the Democrats were party of the white southerner. They now openly mock them as inbred, racist halfwits and suck up to bankers and big business. See a similar pattern emerging over here?
 
Once upon a time the Democrats were party of the white southerner. They now openly mock them as inbred, racist halfwits and suck up to bankers and big business. See a similar pattern emerging over here?

When people say they object to bankers and big business and then vote for Republicans, it's actually quite difficult to take them seriously.
 
ESK are you aware Regus have left Luxembourg for Switzerland? reason given was the increasing burden of EU legislation!

I am thanks, a good company. They're moving their head office to Switzerland where they've had a presence for many years.

The Company is actually a Jersey company.
 
lol

Simpson took a company making good money with a healthy balance sheet and cash reserves and in 2001 racked up the biggest annual loss in UK corporate history at that time - £5BN. Most of the loss being "goodwill impairment" due to their complete mismanagement of their US acquisitions, which they compounded by paying for in cash rather than equity. Blaming Brown for the demise of Marconi is delusional

Nicely wiki'd.....now if you want to know what actually happened then you can listen to someone like myself who worked as a senior Director with Marconi or you can just go and wiki anything you want and try and score points. The problem you face is that only a couple of dozen people actually knew what happened and I was one of them.....

As you will only believe wiki, try this for size.......

The Telecoms crash was a stock market crash which occurred in 2001. It is sometimes confused with the Dot Com crash which happened at around the same time. Unlike the dot com crash however, the telecoms sector relied on long engineering research and development cycles, and the development companies on the telecom operators buying software maintenance contracts and upgrade paths. The dot com boom was caused by people investing money in ideas that were unrealistic.

Limited license auctions

At the beginning of 2000, mobile network operators in Europe, were offered auction of the 3G radio spectrum.[1] A similar auction had been applied in the United States the year before and had to be re-run when the winners defaulted on their bids.[2] Gordon Brown,[3] the minister responsible for the auctions (the then Chancellor of the Exchequer), used the same New York based firm that set up the failed/re-run auctions to host the auctions in the UK and paid 750,000 pounds from the public purse for them to do so.

The nature of the auctions was designed to increase competitive pressure on bidders by offering fewer licenses than the number of operators likely to bid and in some cases using sealed bid auctions. This put the telephone operators in a difficult position, because if they lost the auction they were out of the next technological phase of the business. They therefore took risks and made high bids, incurring large debt. In the UK auctions raised £22.5 billion[4] (GBP) and around £30 billion (GBP) in Germany. Some estimate the damage caused by the auctions of telecom spectrum (previously administration fees were charged for spectrum usage --- with public service conditions such as emergency cover bundled with the usage certificates --- with the raison d'être being public service provision and that profits from the companies proving the service would be taxable) to be as high as 3 trillion dollars worldwide.[5]

Debt and subsequent loss of stockmarket confidence

The stock market lost confidence,[6] partly due to the concept that telecoms were similar to dot com (both were categorised as 'high technology' in the listings) and share prices tumbled. As they did so the ratio of debt to assets based on share price changed making the telephone operators effective credit rating look insecure.

The telecom developers were now in a quandary. They had invested heavily over the years in research and development to keep pace with changing technology, and the telecom operators were no longer in a position to pay the maintenance and upgrades on the ordinary landline equipment, let alone buy the new.[7] Within a year 100,000 jobs were lost in telecoms support and development across Europe with 30,000 coming from the UK.[8]
 
My understanding was that the implementation of 3G required huge technology and hardware investment by the mobile operators, so rather that investment in the sector fell, investment in the sector continued to rise post the 3G auction.

Perhaps after the disaster of Simpson and Mayo, Marconi were just not in a position to take advantage of the situation.

If memory serves me right Marconi joined a consortium with Virgin and one other to bid for licences?

Your understanding is incorrect I'm afraid......
 
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