Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

The great thing about challenging the status quo is what you learn. Things that you believed were not possible suddenly are, accepted wisdom gets turned on its head, and absolutes are no longer. What I like at the moment is that more and more groups are beginning to see the possibilities of our Exit from the EU. It may even allow the Eu to look at itself with clear eyes and address its fundamental weaknesses......

 

[peteblue]

Who then? Nissan?

It may not require additional funding from anyone........

 

[davids]

It may not require additional funding from anyone........

Perfect day Everton win and I get a good laugh

 

[peteblue]

Just take a look at Norways deal,you know the one we were told was the model we should look to replicate.

We will not replicate Norways deal. We will do a UK deal with the EU.......

 

[peteblue]

Perfect day Everton win and I get a good laugh

Canada’s trade minister had walked out of the talks, while Mr Tusk warned the failure of the deal could mean the EU would never again attempt free trade negotiations.

But Wallonia agreed after being assured Belgium could assess the deal's environmental and socio-economic impacts, and can challenge the dispute resolution system in Ceta at the European Court of Justice.

“The credibility of the EU has been restored,” said Cecilia Malmstrom, the EU Trade Commissioner.


I had a good laugh as well. The middle paragraph is where the Walloons will find out that they have been stitched up....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The great thing about challenging the status quo is what you learn. Things that you believed were not possible suddenly are, accepted wisdom gets turned on its head, and absolutes are no longer. What I like at the moment is that more and more groups are beginning to see the possibilities of our Exit from the EU. It may even allow the Eu to look at itself with clear eyes and address its fundamental weaknesses......

As an experienced manager Pete, I'm sure you're aware that experiments are great so long as you can walk away from them should they go wrong. Should Brexit turn out to be a turkey, it isn't at all easy to go back on it. I'm sure when you consult businesses you don't advocate experiments that could sink the company.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

No, it's an over-simplified model of what really happens which, for example, pays no interest to the rather massive issue of exploitation of vulnerable workforces or the effects migration can have on communities/economies (wow, I almost sound like a kipper here). I was in Spain last week listening to an American talk down to a Spaniard, saying "Free trade is always better" and I face-palmed because it simply isn't true. Of course commerce is integral to prosperity but that binary viewpoint of the doltish Yank simply is not true.

Of course, I'm not sure anyone wants an academic paper with all of the nuances of trade and free movement posted here

 

[peteblue]

As an experienced manager Pete, I'm sure you're aware that experiments are great so long as you can walk away from them should they go wrong. Should Brexit turn out to be a turkey, it isn't at all easy to go back on it. I'm sure when you consult businesses you don't advocate experiments that could sink the company.

It's not exactly a brand new concept being a Sovereign nation, in fact it could be argued that we tried the experiment of being in the EU and now we are walking away from the failed experiment.........

 

[Joey66]

Just take a look at Norways deal,you know the one we were told was the model we should look to replicate.

We are bigger than Norway- May will tie the EU in knots 17 WTO deals at the ready taps nose!

 

[roydo]

It's not exactly a brand new concept being a Sovereign nation, in fact it could be argued that we tried the experiment of being in the EU and now we are walking away from the failed experiment.........

I have to say Pete, that is one of the best reasons to promote leaving I have ever seen. Played sir.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's not exactly a brand new concept being a Sovereign nation, in fact it could be argued that we tried the experiment of being in the EU and now we are walking away from the failed experiment.........

You know it's not that straight forward. The world is infinitely more connected than before we joined the EU, and that inter-connectedness will need to be rebuilt. It's a big undertaking, especially as the apparent mandate would appear to offer short shrift should the government simply decide to try and keep things as they were (in terms of laws and tariffs) but without EU membership. As it is, if it goes wrong, I can't imagine we could re-apply for EU membership without considerable loss to our global reputation.

 

[peteblue]

No, it's an over-simplified model of what really happens which, for example, pays no interest to the rather massive issue of exploitation of vulnerable workforces or the effects migration can have on communities/economies (wow, I almost sound like a kipper here). I was in Spain last week listening to an American talk down to a Spaniard, saying "Free trade is always better" and I face-palmed because it simply isn't true. Of course commerce is integral to prosperity but that binary viewpoint of the doltish Yank simply is not true.

I agree with this. No one overarching model of trade is best. It depends on the circumstances of the countries involved and which part of the political, economic, social and technological cycle they are at......

 

[Anders_Limpar]

It's not exactly a brand new concept being a Sovereign nation, in fact it could be argued that we tried the experiment of being in the EU and now we are walking away from the failed experiment.........

Think this is a valid point and certainly one a lot of leave voters were thinking of. Problem is, is that the world now and 40 years ago is very different.

My 95 year grand mother in law is now convinced that the country is going to be exactly how it was when she was younger. It's nice she's happy but not sure she's going to get a bobby on every street and red phone boxes just yet.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I agree with this. No one overarching model of trade is best. It depends on the circumstances of the countries involved and which part of the political, economic, social and technological cycle they are at......

With respect Pete, you didn't ask for something you agreed with. You asked what free movement of people had to do with free trade.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Think this is a valid point and certainly one a lot of leave voters were thinking of. Problem is, is that the world now and 40 years ago is very different.

My 95 year grand mother in law is now convinced that the country is going to be exactly how it was when she was younger. It's nice she's happy but not sure she's going to get a bobby on every street and red phone boxes just yet.

What's more, I do wonder quite how many of those who talk of regaining sovereignty could name the laws that we would be regaining control over. After all, as the Economist piece I linked to earlier highlighted, the British press are so prolific in printing blatant lies about the 'loss of sovereignty' to the EU that the European Commission created a website to rebuff the rubbish printed in our media.