Current Affairs EU In or Out

[tommytowne]

I expect the EU commission will now poke its nose in and tell us whatever we did to reassure Nissan that it's illegal then....

This is the peculiar bit.
One of the reasons the UK voted to leave, was to be rid of exactly what you suggest may happen. Yet we remain a member at present so yes, I fully expect a legal challenge from across the channel.
Some 25 years on, the way the French flouted all the laws surrounding agriculture just to appease their farmers, still sticks in my throat. Hence my statement in my original post.

 

[roydo]

This is the peculiar bit.
One of the reasons the UK voted to leave, was to be rid of exactly what you suggest may happen. Yet we remain a member at present so yes, I fully expect a legal challenge from across the channel.
Some 25 years on, the way the French flouted all the laws surrounding agriculture just to appease their farmers, still sticks in my throat. Hence my statement in my original post.

Arsed. We will refer it to the European Court of Something. By the time they have ordered their sarnies, which will take 18 months, we will be shut of them.

 

[Toffeelover]

Lots of new jobs will emerge, but I don't think people (or the state) are in any way for the re-training that will be required.



Because I think it's a terrible thing. I haven't suggested it shouldn't go ahead, but that doesn't mean I wish it wouldn't.

Bruce, why is it a terrible thing? You prefer the status quo and are willing to gamble on what Brussles has plans for the future of the EU?

 

[Toffeelover]

I obviously do not have a clue what the details were.

But imo, this is the first concrete bit of certainty in the whirlwind of hyperbole and concern since the vote. And it shows to me that May and her team seem to be set on a practical rather than a dogmatic approach to the hand they have been dealt.

On whatever side of the political or vote fence one sits, I think that is encouraging.

Like wise and for me augurs well for what is to come.

 

[Joey66]

They have contracted me to deliver stuff. Its all smokes and mirrors, and it could be viewed either way I guess.

I would hate to be an employee though. They would just have fewer drivers, and be able to effectively set what I deliver, as opposed to us having an albeit, informal arrangement on the maximum I will take.

Then have to claim mileage and stuff as an employee. For the minimum wage, cos thats what they would pay, nailed on. As it is, I make apx £15 per hour, (gross, granted), and it fits in perfectly with our lifestyle.

Cant see Uber being a million miles away from that. They pick folk up, from an App. I drop stuff off from a van.

google Uber I am sure they operate totally in a very poor way to how you work Paris banned them Boris let them in I have heard some horrific stories about their practices on LBC radio etc etc in fact a LBC polictical reporter managed to get a Uber license by using a false name no checks etc they really do sound like a very bad firm!
Did you see their representative they put on the TV to argue about it he looked like someone of the apprentice|!

 

[Joey66]

Bruce, why is it a terrible thing? You prefer the status quo and are willing to gamble on what Brussles has plans for the future of the EU?

I think Bruce wanting the country to crash if Brexit goes through was mind blowing enough TBF

 

[Joey66]

Depends on the contract. I employ a gardener but he's not an employee as he also works for other people. If he worked exclusively for me then HMRC would argue he was an employee......

Hey shush it may be a cash in hand contract known as a Ken Dodd!lol

 

[Joey66]

This is the peculiar bit.
One of the reasons the UK voted to leave, was to be rid of exactly what you suggest may happen. Yet we remain a member at present so yes, I fully expect a legal challenge from across the channel.
Some 25 years on, the way the French flouted all the laws surrounding agriculture just to appease their farmers, still sticks in my throat. Hence my statement in my original post.

When we were in the common market which was designed to create food stock mountains - anyone remember them The french farmers were getting that big grant by having a few sheep and one cow in their back garden !
It was noticeable that this referendrum a lot of big farmers in the UK wanted Brexit.
yet in the 1970's hedgerows were being ripped out in the UK to grow more corn wheat etc which was not needed - it was quotas more you produced the more the then common market paid the farmers!
how times change?

 

[Joey66]

It's only being raised by the likes of the Soubry woman and a few remainers because she's upset about the way the vote went.....everyone else seems quite happy about it.....mind you, it's worth a read of this thread on the day it happened....

Yes she tried to get on the cross party committee led by Hilary Benn - Gove comentated she was not neededlol

 

[peteblue]

When we were in the common market which was designed to create food stock mountains - anyone remember them The french farmers were getting that big grant by having a few sheep and one cow in their back garden !
It was noticeable that this referendrum a lot of big farmers in the UK wanted Brexit.
yet in the 1970's hedgerows were being ripped out in the UK to grow more corn wheat etc which was not needed - it was quotas more you produced the more the then common market paid the farmers!
how times change?

Hasn't really changed Joey, the old Common Agricultural Policy still pays out over 40% of the near €150Bn EU budget, and France still gets about 20% of the CAP payments.....

 

[peteblue]

Yes she tried to get on the cross party committee led by Hilary Benn - Gove comentated she was not neededlol

Her disgraceful performances so far would also suggest that her constituency doesn't need her.......

 

[tommytowne]

When we were in the common market which was designed to create food stock mountains - anyone remember them The french farmers were getting that big grant by having a few sheep and one cow in their back garden !
It was noticeable that this referendrum a lot of big farmers in the UK wanted Brexit.
yet in the 1970's hedgerows were being ripped out in the UK to grow more corn wheat etc which was not needed - it was quotas more you produced the more the then common market paid the farmers!
how times change?

Too true regarding the surpluses.
In the eighties I was driving around the length and breadth of the country in my work. Almost all the old RAF redundant hangars were full to the brim of corn which in the end had to be ploughed back into the earth.
Liked the idea of a wine lake though.

 

[Joey66]

Hasn't really changed Joey, the old Common Agricultural Policy still pays out over 40% of the near €150Bn EU budget, and France still gets about 20% of the CAP payments.....

The sooner out the better the UK can do better than this we can also export our crops meat to other countries in the WTO Brexit now for me the sooner the better!

 

[Joey66]

Too true regarding the surpluses.
In the eighties I was driving around the length and breadth of the country in my work. Almost all the old RAF redundant hangars were full to the brim of corn which in the end had to be ploughed back into the earth.
Liked the idea of a wine lake though.

That probably ended up as expensive vinegarlol

 

[Woolly Blue]

Hasn't really changed Joey, the old Common Agricultural Policy still pays out over 40% of the near €150Bn EU budget, and France still gets about 20% of the CAP payments.....

In a serious moment ...

In business, I've defo been a beneficiary from the UK being in the EU, it's opened up many a door, and still is doing ( I'll likely be in Athens next week ).

Freedom of movement wrt employment has also been of huge benefit to both our kids who have, and in one case still are, working in the EU, but, purely from an economic viewpoint the CAP is a hideous waste of money. Within it's subsidies it has some benefits which can't be measured purely by cash, but even so, it's a drag on EU policy and while it might be tweaked, it seems unlikely to ever be properly reformed.

Putting aside all the rhetoric about EU workers, sovereignty and the like, if I'd voted Out ( though I didn't ) it would have been because of the CAP.