Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Joey66]

This might well be so, in the long term. Early indicators might not prove accurate though...in the long term - if you get my drift.

There have been plenty of times that Parliament has gone contrary to the 'will of the people' - more correctly labelled 'public opinion' and on some pretty contentious subjects too; Hanging, Prostitution, Homosexuality.

But this is not 'public opinion' or even 'the will of the people' albeit the media version thereof.

This was a duly constituted referendum (the why's and the how's we came to have it are yet another discussion) that was supposed to be binding(?)

To turn this over, like it was a public enquiry into building the Heathrow new runway or DK or whatever would seem to be fraught with potential problems of a serious constitutional nature...not that we have an actual written constitution, but you get my drift.

Given there are, in broad terms, Brexiteir's and Remainer's spread about the public supporters of all parties both major and fringe. The same for the Parliamentary parties

The phrase - total dogs breakfast springs to mind...and also...cause more problems than it solves.

Not a dogs breakfast when Nissan invest even more, and Growth is higher than expected those experts did get it wrong why can't the public just let the elected government get on with it the if the country does not like the outcome use their vote in a GE!

 

[Old Blue 2]

My thoughts are with those who have suffered from abuse since the opinion poll was counted, with those who have been told to f off back home. If you're upset by what I wrote about then frankly you can cry me a river.

You point(s) carry no weight whatsoever. So nobody was ever told to F off back home pre-Brexit? Don't make me laugh! Go read up on this country's history, specifically the 1950s and 1960s and the immigration scenario at THAT time. You are being 100% totally selective when saying this: "...those who have been told to f off back home..." Doesn't wash with me for a second.

I'm not 'upset' by what you wrote. I just think it is appalling, that's all. Fine for you to call people a 'dolt', for example. Had I done that, I would have received a warning or ban. Good song by Julie London, however (you do know that artist, do you...???).

 

[magicjuan]

So we have 17.4 million racist then that's a big insult!

That's nothing at all remotely like what he said

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Until we officially come out no one knows what is going to happen, no matter what all these so called 'experts' tell us, especially considering a lot of these experts told us before the vote took place that if the outcome was leave, then the immediate effect was literally going to be the end of the world for us.

 

[Anders_Limpar]

I think @peteblue means a general election no one in the media is calling for a 2nd referendum?

Blair was talking about it this morning.

My point was that @peteblue original point is a good one - we vote in governments and then once they are voted in we hold them to account.

And if you happen to vote for the loosing party - you don't have to accept everything that the new government does without question... Or if you vote for the party that is then in power, you may end up changing your mind once you see what they are actually doing.

Of course the opposite could also occur and more people could be behind a party after a period in government.

What I don't understand is why this referendum has to be any different.

 

[Joey66]

That's nothing at all remotely like what he said

I know I have rectified it if you read the post!
I had not seen his earlier post and give him a like ok!

 

[Joey66]

Blair was talking about it this morning.

My point was that @peteblue original point is a good one - we vote in governments and then once they are voted in we hold them to account.

And if you happen to vote for the loosing party - you don't have to accept everything that the new government does without question... Or if you vote for the party that is then in power, you may end up changing your mind once you see what they are actually doing.

Of course the opposite could also occur and more people could be behind a party after a period in government.

What I don't understand is why this referendum has to be any different.

Exactly if May makes a mess of leaving the EU in a GE the people can vote her out!

 

[Joey66]

Daily politics today the EU is going to put its membership up next year surprised not me it's a failing organisation thank goodness we are leaving!

 

[degsy]

Not a dogs breakfast when Nissan invest even more, and Growth is higher than expected those experts did get it wrong why can't the public just let the elected government get on with it the if the country does not like the outcome use their vote in a GE!

(a bit like dirty harry, 'in all the confusion did he fire 5 shots or did he fire 6?')...anyway I've lost count if you're a brexiter or a remainer...Nissan investment or whatever is not my point, Joey;
my point is that win lose or draw the referendum...that Parliament authorised, gave a binding(?) direction...the fact is, that for many reasons The PM and thus Parliament swerved on making the decision themselves and that having swerved it once - aka - over to you Mr & Mrs Voter, they can't suddenly say - dash it all chaps, we are the actual Government don'tcha know...and grab the brexit steering wheel back again when it suits them.

 

[Joey66]

(a bit like dirty harry, 'in all the confusion did he fire 5 shots or did he fire 6?')...anyway I've lost count if you're a brexiter or a remainer...Nissan investment or whatever is not my point, Joey;
my point is that win lose or draw the referendum...that Parliament authorised, gave a binding(?) direction...the fact is, that for many reasons The PM and thus Parliament swerved on making the decision themselves and that having swerved it once - aka - over to you Mr & Mrs Voter, they can't suddenly say - dash it all chaps, we are the actual Government don'tcha know...and grab the brexit steering wheel back again when it suits them.

The people voted out in a referendum they are trying to Perdue this vote if they mess it up they will pat the price the fact is so far the economy has not fallen of a cliff - IMO it would be suicidal to tell the EU what our plans of negotiations are now?

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

The people voted out in a referendum they are trying to Perdue this vote if they mess it up they will pat the price the fact is so far the economy has not fallen of a cliff - IMO it would be suicidal to tell the EU what our plans of negotiations are now?

You think that removing uncertainty would be harmful when the uncertainty is a big part of the problem?

 

[Joey66]

You think that removing uncertainty would be harmful when the uncertainty is a big part of the problem?

How can uncertainty be a problem when growth is up and Nissan have provided more investment ?
The EU is putting its budget up next year thoughts on that please thank goodness we are leaving this mess the WTO will be lining up to trade with us!

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

How can uncertainty be a problem when growth is up and Nissan have provided more investment ?
The EU is putting its budget up next year thoughts on that please thank goodness we are leaving this mess the WTO will be lining up to trade with us!

Most major outlets pointing out that something happened at Nissan that we don't know about and probably never will. Uncertainty is always a problem in finance.

Yes mate, I have several thoughts on that. The EU needs more money, it could borrow it or put up membership fees.

Now are you going to answer my previous question: how does creating barriers to trade do good for the economy?

 

[peteblue]

You think that removing uncertainty would be harmful when the uncertainty is a big part of the problem?

That's a bit like one Army general telling his Opponent exactly what his battle plan is so as to remove uncertainty........

 

[Joey66]

Most major outlets pointing out that something happened at Nissan that we don't know about and probably never will. Uncertainty is always a problem in finance.

Yes mate, I have several thoughts on that. The EU needs more money, it could borrow it or put up membership fees.

Now are you going to answer my previous question: how does creating barriers to trade do good for the economy?

no barriers whats so ever we will trade on a negotiated basis or trade in the WTO will lower corporation tax which will force the EU to backtrack in a reorganisation of our trade deals with them - we are leaving get used to it!
As @peteblue stated below you don't tell your enemy and thats what they are at the moment as they have threatened us the day after we denied the super power they think they are bu voting OUT - now you can have your point of view , but imo you seem to be losing the argument I have justs help my wife to set our log fire with EU coal does that please you?